Drake Kraken + Privateer

[Chimaera]

I would love it if they made it $1005. Just to fuck with the Grey Market gougers.

[danredda]

8 hours ago, Chimaera said:

I would love it if they made it $1005. Just to fuck with the Grey Market gougers.

Agreed. I would like to see them restrict it as such: Unique message (Not just copy/pasta), Exisiting accounts with at least 1 game package (No account creation to "game" chances), and then 1 per account. Make it above the gifting limit and wham -> very little grey market

[Darius Marx]

I’d bet it’s going to be 1250$ 

[Devil Khan]

I still don't under stand what the F do we have to  show our interest. There is nothing says best ones can buy , we could assume that being an org means you could only buy a limited amount still i don't know.

[Metternich70]

8 hours ago, danredda said:

Agreed. I would like to see them restrict it as such: Unique message (Not just copy/pasta), Exisiting accounts with at least 1 game package (No account creation to "game" chances), and then 1 per account. Make it above the gifting limit and wham -> very little grey market

And (in a dream world) they will scale the price for each player showing interest: the more the player already spent, the more the discount on the ship price (maybe just if they pay in cash and with no melt or ccu). That would be a great marketing move to get in some fresh money also from the so called "old whales".

[Devil Khan]

Well I have my in but probably going to tidy it up and make it cleaner.

My "thing" was about food van and moving around servicing the masses . 

[Scotterius]

If this had come out 3 years ago, I would have grabbed it for 3K with no hesitation.  It looks better than anything I have.  I like the dragon fly bay more than the unarmed shuttle of the Idris, I like the insta launch capacity more than the Idris, and the refuel and repair capacity looks about practically the same (in practical use...like with real people).  The engines  are huge in comparison with the IDRIS, and the mass looks about the same.  

It looks fast.  It looks great! And it would serve as a great base for my friends when planet side.  The only obstacle I have is its strongest asset: It is a great carrier...and fighters mechanics are terrible right now. I am sure they will get fixed...but, $2000 is more sure than I am. Arg. CIG! I want to support you... but the lag...and...and the clumsiness makes it so hard.

 

 

 

Edited October 12, 2018 by Scotterius
Grammer, Mrs Hamilton...I am sorry.

[macgivre]

How much is an Idriss ? Because this little boy is taller ^^

[pyro nl]

13 minutes ago, macgivre said:

How much is an Idriss ? Because this little boy is taller ^^

idris - p 1250,

 

idris - m 1000

[Devil Khan]

idris-p 1500

and no point as idris-m hasn't been sold separately* since KS campaign.

The length is longer for the Kraken, but she is narrow as the pics will have shown the width was mainly landing pads on either side.

However, the Idris was/is a military vessel and the Kraken is just a civilian. Her armour isn't great and the ships landed on pads have zero protection, except 2 internal). The ship is mainly a big empty cargo space. On paper she may seem to be better, but the idris would chew her up. Kraken does have bigger weapons, but zero torps/missiles.

We know that the brand for Drake is the cheapest ( hence why the pirates buy them ). No bell or whistles.

[Devil Khan]

Nicely done STL

[VoA]

2 hours ago, Scotterius said:

The engines  are huge in comparison with the IDRIS, and the mass looks about the same.  

Simple explanation - based on the Hull Series concept sale.   The Kraken will carry a significant amount of Cargo (while the Idris - even the P is more of a military ship)..... and Large amount of Cargo requires big thrusters.    CIG couldn't make the Kraken a "Military Ship" (since Drake has not Military Contracts with the UEEN) and the Idris M is a military ship (while the P is a civilian version).

Too many people are equating the Kraken to a fighting ship....... just because it "can land fighters".......... doesn't mean it can't also land "industrial ships".

Sending your Kraken into a fleet battle will just equate to high repair bills or it being destroyed (as oppose to an Idris).   The Kraken will be better used to stay back from the fight and launch its ships from a safe distance.   The Kraken will also be well served by a Hammerhead as escort ((while an Idris ... especially the M) won't need an escort as much and will have its fighters safely re-arm / re-fuel / repair = where the Kraken again should be at a distance away from the main fight to not have its ships destroyed by strafing fighters or bombers)).

[bladeofdeath3]

I wouldn't count on the Kraken to have the same staying power in a fight as say an Idris would.  It has some teeth, but I expect the armor to be somewhat lacking.  It will be a good support ship, being to launch 4 fighters and 2 medium ships (Cutlasses were shown in the trailer, but I'm assuming Freelancers (it's a tad bit bigger than the Cutlass), Vanguard, Valkyrie, and Redeemer will all be viable choices for the deck pads.  I'm a little confused on how the hangars work.  The trailer shows the fighters in a hangar with the hangar doors opening up, then the next shot shows the Buccaneer's already launching from the external pads, as well as the Cutlass.  Are the ships stored on the pads or in the hangar?

[macgivre]

A carrier is not supposed to go on the frontline, ... yet it bring in fighting range a little flotilla of fighters and bomber, to ensure the control of a large area 

 

[VoA]

1 hour ago, bladeofdeath3 said:

I wouldn't count on the Kraken to have the same staying power in a fight as say an Idris would.  It has some teeth, but I expect the armor to be somewhat lacking.  

Actually John Crew (CIG) said as much in the Q/A on the livestream for Citizencon.    This should NOT dissuade people from getting a Kraken though since Carriers are not meant to be on the front lines of a fleet battle

1 hour ago, bladeofdeath3 said:

It will be a good support ship, being to launch 4 fighters and 2 medium ships (Cutlasses were shown in the trailer, but I'm assuming Freelancers (it's a tad bit bigger than the Cutlass), Vanguard, Valkyrie, and Redeemer will all be viable choices for the deck pads.  

This is where it will shine over an Idris however (bring more and larger ships to the fight).   The Kraken will also have a significant amount of cargo space by comparison as well.

 

1 hour ago, bladeofdeath3 said:

I'm a little confused on how the hangars work.  The trailer shows the fighters in a hangar with the hangar doors opening up, then the next shot shows the Buccaneer's already launching from the external pads, as well as the Cutlass.  Are the ships stored on the pads or in the hangar?

My understanding is both........ the ships on the pads - are "on the pads" - the ones in the hangars have to fly in there manually (I don't think they get transported there like at Port Olisar nor is there an Space Ship Elevator - like the Aircraft Elevators on Aircraft Carriers).   My take is the above pads are mainly for ready ships - ready to fight.   The lower hangars are for repair / refuel and / re-arm (which may mean that the Idris is better at these functions as well).

Remember ships can also dock with the docking collars on the starboard and port side arms. 

With the extra Cargo the Kraken is a SOLID SHIP.......

25 minutes ago, macgivre said:

A carrier is not supposed to go on the frontline, ... yet it bring in fighting range a little flotilla of fighters and bomber, to ensure the control of a large area 

 

AGREED 100%.    That's why I pointed out that like the Idris-P....... the Kraken does NOT have any STS turrets - only ASA (anti-ship artillery).    Only the military ships - like the Idris-M has an STS (ship-to-ship) turret (+ it has the Rail Gun + more missiles to boot).  See image below from CIG 😎

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LOVE the Kraken for what it is and hope others don't "pretend" that is is something that it is not.   It is a solid ship with its carrying capacity of small and medium ships + lots of Cargo.   The only disappointment I have in it - is no retail shops (or trading function) - as was discussed in an early RTV.

[J. Coren]

6 minutes ago, VoA said:

LOVE the Kraken for what it is and don't "pretend" that is is something that it is not.   It is a solid ship with its carrying capacity + lots of Cargo.   The only disappointment I have in it - is no retail shops (or trading function) - as was discussed in an early RTV.

That doesn't mean it can't be used like that. Have some place like the Dragonfly Bay or other large areas be where traders set up booths for customers to come and make purchases, Then the crew transfers the cargo and has it delivered to their respective pad and everyone walks away happy. It can be tooled to become exactly what I thought it might be - a flying truck stop - with a little effort and a small support fleet to continue replenishing cargo and fuel.

It's a versatile vessel, but I'm not much a fan of the idea of a carrier having an exposed fighter complement and no acknowledgement so far about how armored it will be. I'll probably stick with my Idris.

[Darius Marx]

I’d stick with the Idris too... if I had one.

Those of us without an idris however, should look into getting one of these bad boys asap.

I wrote a three sentence paragraph to state my interest for the kraken. Influenced solely from the ccommercial. Hopefully it’s enough, I don’t want to beg for the damn thing with an essay. 

[VoA]

1 hour ago, Hector said:

I’d stick with the Idris too... if I had one.

Those of us without an idris however, should look into getting one of these bad boys asap.

I wrote a three sentence paragraph to state my interest for the kraken. Influenced solely from the ccommercial. Hopefully it’s enough, I don’t want to beg for the damn thing with an essay. 

Hope they allow you to get one (they probably will).  I think the write up is for them to gauge how many they should put on a "limited" sale - rather than picking an arbitrary number like 100, or 1,000 or 5,000 etc...

We have a number of Idris' in Blood Moon so hopefully you get yours and @bladeofdeath3 gets one as well (and knowing our members we'll probably end up with a few more  )

[LowZone]

2 hours ago, Hector said:

 

I wrote a three sentence paragraph to state my interest for the kraken. Influenced solely from the ccommercial. Hopefully it’s enough, I don’t want to beg for the damn thing with an essay. 

I find it funny that some people think it matters what you write to submit your interest in the Kraken when they didn't even specify a language, let alone consider the time and resources it would take to read and compare hundred's of thousands of entries in such a short time frame. I think VoA is right in that it is just a way of gauging interest and adjusting the availability and price accordingly.

[Boildown]

I kind of ignored this ship until the recent email.  Looks completely badass, is the pocket carrier we've been asking for, and is very very Drake.  I wonder if torpedo bombers can launch their torps without even leaving the deck.  This could be the most versatile warship yet.  Also, it says it has a ton of cargo space.  The best pirate baseship, for sure.

If the price is right I'd pony for one, but if not I have a couple large ships already.

[Danakar Endeel]

Now let's hope they come in 2 different skins. A pirate-themed skin and a military-themed skin.

I mean, I am mildly interested even though this thing would be way out of my pricerange but even if I did want one I need a nice and clean looking Helicarrier as I sure as hell don't want it looking like a rusted up pirate filth tugboat with skull decals 

 

[Darius Marx]

Hey now... what’s wrong with skull decals?

I wouldn’t mind putting vanduul heads on a spike right on top of the observation tower for all to enjoy.

[VoA]

6 hours ago, LowZone said:

I find it funny that some people think it matters what you write to submit your interest in the Kraken when they didn't even specify a language, let alone consider the time and resources it would take to read and compare hundred's of thousands of entries in such a short time frame. I think VoA is right in that it is just a way of gauging interest and adjusting the availability and price accordingly.

They will have "someone" read them..... and they'll not only use what you write to gauge interest for the "Limited" number's that they will set but they may also quote you later on for marketing reasons (remember CIG is a business - and it is one of the reasons why SC has been so successful in raising money = good marketing)

To give you an example...... I waited until the last minute almost (think last day) to get the A2 Hercules during its concept sale......... thought I was disciplined enough to hold back on it - but the fact that they packaged the free Nova Tank along with the reduced cost of the Warbond version....... ended up being too tempting in the end..... and I pulled the trigger on it and pledged for it.

If you have followed my posts on the Kraken...... you'll see my wallet discipline waning as well...... and I went from "it doesn't fit my fleet" (with having an Idris and Javelin)..... to "it doesn't have the retail shops as mentioned in the early RTV" (but thinking - why not) = to now thinking my favorite Sci-Fi Genre is Babylon 5 💖and even though not stated it is likely the Kraken can be a "port of call" like B5.... so.... I'll be adding in my interest (but still not 100% sure I'll pull the trigger on it - depending on price and if I need to melt stuff to get it) 

3 hours ago, Boildown said:

If the price is right I'd pony for one, but if not I have a couple large ships already.

Like many though - I hope it is over $1k to nail the grey marketers.   If it is under $1,300 I'll likely get it..... we'll see...

42 minutes ago, Danakar Endeel said:

Now let's hope they come in 2 different skins. A pirate-themed skin and a military-themed skin.

100% certain it will come in at least 2 skins and one will be a pirate skin (look at other Drake ships as an example - the Caterpillar and Cutlass and Buccaneer) - heck - at first I thought the Kraken symbol was a Pirate symbol

24 minutes ago, Hector said:

Hey now... what’s worse with skill

decals? I wouldn’t mind putting vanduul heads on a spike right on top of the observation tower for all to enjoy.

For sure - and it fits our Vanduul Hunting them for our Unit 😈

[Darius Marx]

If it’s under 1300 I won’t hesitate. Anything more and I’ll back out. 

[Sky Captain]

14 hours ago, J. Coren said:

….I'm not much a fan of the idea of a carrier having an exposed fighter complement... 

Aye, this is the one thing that holds me back with the Kraken.  Its a great looking ship when its empty.  Just not sure I like it as much when crowded with ships parked on the decks.   Having two Valkyries or Cutlasses on deck kinda has the effect of making the Kraken look small.  Dunno.  Need to see it in game.

That and I can't help but wonder how long it will take a poor pilot to wipe out the exposed bridge tower when attempting a landing. 🙂