GeraldEvans Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 They said on RtV that you will be able to upgrade this version to the package. So you can get lti and the model plus a character slot. VoA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted May 23, 2015 Author Share Posted May 23, 2015 I think people are getting "blinded" by LTI - as Ben has said many times Hull Insurance will almost be unnoticeable (so don't place so much value on it)... and if you really must have it get a Reliant because you really like it better - or get it for a CCU to another ship. I'm in love. Gonna melt my 24 Month Delta pack for it (probably). I think this would be a mistake. One you loose a "package".... and second.... the Delta will probably be a better fighter than the Reliant (unless you want to pick up the Reliant to CCU it into a Delta or if you like the Reliant for another purpose) Not every ship can be the most awesomest ship design ever, that's why they're producing so many - they want everyone to be able to find a ship that they enjoy being in. Right now I'm torn between this and the Aurora CL because I want a mini-hauler but as of now there's no way to get the Reliant in a package, and I'd have to drop one of my three character slots to pick it up. I personally think the Aurora CL will be a better mini Hauler (requiring less fuel - and in general less costly to operate - and $5 cheaper). However if you really want LTI and you don't have it on your Aurora CL then this could be a deciding factor - since they are close in many aspects for function (you can't CCU from the more expensive Reliant to the less expensive Aurora CL). Even though I think the Aurora CL will be a better Mini-Hauler..... I do think the base Reliant will be a better mini - Miner ..... and mini - Salvage ship (with its Tractor Beam) Also, I think the "news van" variant is going to be a comms relay more than anything, with the potential to be an info gatherer or offensive ewar vessel (as opposed to the herald's core design for ewar resistance). Just my take on it, seems interesting. I am more interested in the News Van Variant - as you describe..... but also in the Science Variant (got to see what these will turn out to be). Remember to pick one up in order to get the Variant (if you want LTI)..... and again you can always CCU the Reliant or Melt it if you are not impressed when the Variants come out. Siberz4 and Silveryn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnor Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 When I get to choose my starter-ship after finishing the campaign, I will definately pick this ship... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlich Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I got one precisely because it ISN"T a fighter. VoA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siberz4 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I am more interested in the News Van Variant - as you describe..... Will you be selling hot dogs in it? Potential customer inquiring... Irres 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted May 23, 2015 Author Share Posted May 23, 2015 Will you be selling hot dogs in it? Potential customer inquiring... Well... I am really more of a PvPer when it comes to the MMO's I've been playing since 2002 or so like 90/10 % ...... but with Star Citizen I am actually looking forward to other PvE things - other than just arena style PvP. Thus..... I am looking forward to making UEC off of broadcasting news.... watching and broadcasting Murray Cup or Arena Commander Matches (you can have fun watching and making UEC or $ at the same time). I'll even have fun touring and seeing the sites (and get more UEC with my 890 Jump and Phoenix - with the VIPs but you can also do this with a Reliant - maybe not as profitable). I'll have the Military ships and campaigns vs the Vanduul most of the time....... but..... why not a change of scene and....... do some mining with my Orion, Salvaging with Reclaimer, Hauling with Hull E, etc....... and News / or / Science with the Reliant? We'll see how cool the variants are and if they fill a unique niche well I'll probably keep it instead of Melting it for something else. Siberz4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siberz4 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Well... I am really more of a PvPer when it comes to the MMO's I've been playing since 2002 or so like 90/10 % ...... but with Star Citizen I am actually looking forward to other PvE things - other than just arena style PvP. Thus..... I am looking forward to making UEC off of broadcasting news.... watching and broadcasting Murray Cup or Arena Commander Matches (you can have fun watching and making UEC or $ at the same time). I'll even have fun touring and seeing the sites (and get more UEC with my 890 Jump and Phoenix - with the VIPs but you can also do this with a Reliant - maybe not as profitable). I'll have the Military ships and campaigns vs the Vanduul most of the time....... but..... why not a change of scene and....... do some mining with my Orion, Salvaging with Reclaimer, Hauling with Hull E, etc....... and News / or / Science with the Reliant? We'll see how cool the variants are and if they fill a unique niche well I'll probably keep it instead of Melting it for something else. could of said you are going to do almost everything ...still hot dogs? VoA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted May 23, 2015 Author Share Posted May 23, 2015 Here are some more Player Vids Another Player vid - but this one he digitally enhanced the RSI Images Siberz4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsten Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I love how it looks but I would prefer it it was more asymmetric, like one side longer than the other. Sadly they already said that making it asymmetric would result in weight unbalance and therefore less maneuverable, but I still think it would make the Reliant cooler GeraldEvans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxChard Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I too wish for an asymmetric design on a ship-but I don't think it has a place on the reliant. Such a ship would have serious atmospheric flight issues. I know people don't like the planes in space-but-if something is damaged at least they might be able to return to a planet surface. And the reliant had to be flexible to make it suitable for all sorts of players!I too wish for an asymmetric design on a ship-but I don't think it has a place on the reliant. Such a ship would have serious atmospheric flight issues. I know people don't like the planes in space-but-if something is damaged at least they might be able to return to a planet surface. And the reliant had to be flexible to make it suitable for all sorts of players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 Link Turbulent-ScottTurbulent-Scott Posted: May 25 Decivious Dan | Decivious said: [source] » show previous quotes I am confused, in episode 48 of Reverse the ‘Verse it was said that (regarding the Reliant concept sale) "If you pick up a concept one now, you can add the package later." Thanks for pointing this out, sorry for the confusion. While there is no plan to make a specific "upgrade my reliant to a package" item in the store, we have plans to rework the way people can buy the game itself. This project covers what Ben was talking about in Reverse the Verse. GeraldEvans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeraldEvans Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Yep! Which means all my concepts will now have NPCs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 Yep! Which means all my concepts will now have NPCs! ??? How is that? You have the ability to buy an extra NPC slot separately - from a stand alone ship or a ship package (CR talked about this awhile ago on 10FTC)...... but the quote above doesn't indicate that a concept ship sale "comes with" an NPC slot...? Is there something I missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeraldEvans Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 The quote above is in regard to Ben saying that if you buy the Reliant now you'll be able to upgrade it to a package. Packages are full copies of the game and it's been a long known point that if you have multiple packages you can use the others as character slots. Since all but two of my ships now are concepts, they will soon be replenishing my army of drones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxChard Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Uh Gerald ... The clarification of bens words only says they'll add more options and not CCU from concept to package. They did not rule it out-they did not specify anything. All they did was edit a comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeraldEvans Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I know. It's not a ccu. But you'll be able to upgrade a standalone to a package. They're adding more options, not replacing ccu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 Here's an earlier pass at the Reliant. You can see the finished concept at the RSI site. - Sandi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reavern Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I think that CIG should offer the a Reliant LTI game package now -- it doesn't make sense to wait until later. Even if sometime in the future, CIG decided to offer a Reliant game package with LTI, as well as the option to upgrade a Reliant LTI standalone ship to a game package for like $10, I think it makes more sense to offer the LTI game package now, rather than wait. The whole point of CIG creating a Third Starter Ship was to give potential backers another choice to entice them to pledge and join the Star Citizen community. But it's pointless for a new backer only buy a Reliant standalone ship, because they won't be able to fly it in either Arena Commander or the PU. They need a game package to play, like an Arena Commander Starter Package. I don't understand CIG's reasoning for not offer a Reliant game package now. I know that none of the other Concept Sales offered the ships with game packages, because most of the other Concept Ships have been high-tier "ultimate role" ships, which aren't well-suited for a player's starting ship, whereas the Reliant was created as a Starter Ship, so it should have a game package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeraldEvans Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Agreed. And it's not like it has to wait for flight ready status like the Connie clearly didn't. Regardless of the reasoning, it's just a matter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxChard Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 They don't have a package because of fallout from the cutlass launch. As bad as it might be without a package, it would be worse with one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Some additional Reliant images http://imgur.com/a/JsGof Edited May 27, 2015 by Nameless Replaced images with Imgur album GeraldEvans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxChard Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 New players to the game would freak out!That said, reveal of reliant should have been when it was hangar ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 Reliant Q&A - Part 1 RELIANT Q&A - PART 1 Reliant Concept Blueprint “One thing people don’t appreciate about the Reliant is how dead on the name is. This is a ship that can take serious punishment and keep on flying. During one of the CTX-3 [first manned Reliant prototype] flights, I managed to snap half a wing off in a collision. Klaxons sounded, red lights flashing… my nav readouts went dead for half a second, until the redundancies switched on. Fly by wire was pretty much a lost cause, but with some careful manual thruster taps I managed to make it back home in one piece (minus a wing.) This is a ship that’ll keep your butt safe.” - Yark “Badger” Malloy, MISC In-House Test Pilot II “NEW for 2946: the MISC Reliant is the galaxy’s latest, greatest jump-capable spaceship. Featuring an industry-leading silhouette and the latest in adapted xenotechnology, the Reliant doesn’t just look better than anything on the flight line… it flies better, too. The base Reliant, shipping Q4 2945, is a dedicated short-range space transporter solution with the broad ability to adapt to a dozen or more different roles. Whether you’re moving your grandmother’s Hartwell or your company’s refined titanium, the Reliant will get you there. The Reliant, only from MISC.” - MISC Cavalcade of Transports! brochure, 2945 Greetings Citizens, Last month, we ran a collection of Hull series Q&A posts during the concept sale. The idea went over so well that we’ve decided to make it a tradition. All future concept sales will include at least one ‘post launch’ Q&A post. This week, for the MISC Reliant concept sale, we’re answering questions backers have posted to this thread. An additional Q&A will be posted on Friday. A special thank you to designer Matt Sherman for answering your Reliant questions! Question & Answer Could you describe the Reliant’s basic role, compared to the other starters in just a few words? Utility Vehicle – While it can’t run multiple roles at once, the Reliant is a starter that was built specifically to best accommodate some of the more PU-focused play-styles like Research and Reporting. What will the second players duties be other than manning weapons? Why will it better to run this ship with two players rather than solo? Turret-controls – If all the weapons are slaved to the pilot, you really lose out on the massive coverage arcs the wing-tip Omni-Orb turret offers the ship. So whether in combat, working scanners, or working as a news-reporter, every variant was planned from the ground up to have dedicated second-seat gameplay available. Is there any practical benefit envisioned / planned for the transformation from horizontal to vertical orientation? What would be the advantage over simply staying in one orientation at all times? Yes, the plan right now is that the Vertical-configuration will be the ideal combat and maneuverability mode of flight because of a better spread of the thrusters. The Horizontal configuration won’t handle as well, but will have an improved top-speed over the Vertical mode. How much walking around room can we expect to see in the Reliant? The cargo area looks wide and deep enough to walk around quite a bit (almost Cutlass sized?), but it also looks like the cargo area might compress vertically when it closes leaving not enough space to walk upright in. It’s not a fully stand-up walking space in the storage compartment while the ship is in flight. When you’re landed, you’ll have enough clearance, but you’ll be crouching to walk back there in space. Does the stock reliant have bed(s)/a jumpdrive? a. Bed – Nothing set for sure right now, but we’re looking into a small fold-out bed from the floor for some of the variants; think more along the lines of a barebones cot. b. Jumpdrive – Unsure for all the variants, but like most of our ships, even if it doesn’t come with one stock, all models of the Reliant will be able to install one. Will we see more ships result of Alien/Human collaboration, or is the Reliant a unique, one of a kind design? That depends on what other Human manufactures strike out and make trade deals with other races. MISC made enough deals with the Xi’an to make the Reliant, so only time will tell if anyone else makes similar deals. How fast is the transformation from horizontal to vertical? Is it quick and easy to briskly bounce between the two flights modes? The exact time is in the works, but most likely a few seconds of transition time. It should be fast enough to change modes for most any non-combat gameplay, but it probably won’t be the safest to bounce between the 2 in a firefight. Can players exit / change seats while the Reliant is in vertical flight mode? No, right now it’s only planned to have you getting in/out of the seats while the ship is in Horizontal mode. The upper-seat will be the pilots chair, with the lower seat the gunner/turret operator. There is a ramp, can we park a rover inside? No, the Greycat’s support struts would get crushed when the hold compacts for flight. Is the gimble ‘Tractor Beam’ Hardpoint, a hardpoint that can switch out weapons for tractors beams, or a gimble mount with a built in tractor beam that also mounts weapons? The Tractor Beam mount is the Wing-Tip turret. When the Reliant becomes flight-ready for Arena Commander, that turret will come stock with a Tractor Beam installed, but the tractor beam can be removed and swapped with a size 2 weapon. Whether there will be more than one turret option (e.g. two size 1 weapons, or one size 2 weapon), or other some configuration will depend on iterations to the hardpoint system and asset creation between now and then. Is possible to just rotate the seats and fly like that? Currently not planned, but may be something we explore as the ship gets flight ready. Visibility issue: can you make the floor retractable? Otherwise there is no visibility on the right side when vertical. Yes, we’re already looking at that floor panel. When the detailed specs for the Reliant started shaping up, and aMASSIVE, best-in-class viewing angle for both seats was a major part of that planning. Xi’an-inspired glasswork at its finest. Do the Xi’An materials and technologies used in the construction of the Reliant enable the ship to better handle the effects of heat, radiation and gravimetric effects, when compared to its competitors? Yes, though to what extent this will play out is more something that will be sorted as those kinds of environmental hazards come online. It won’t be so substantial that it lets you fly recklessly through them, but you shouldn’t have to tip-toe through either. Would this be any good for exploring? Jump points? How does it compare with the 315p, the only explorer in the price range? Overall, expect a 315p to be better at finding jumppoints. The Reliant is more going to be doing in-system/region sensor scanning, research, and exploration. It could still definitely map a new jump if you find one, but the bigger profile compared to a 315p may lead you to flying into a smaller point than you could fit. A question about the weapon fittings, the spec listed two fixed mount on wing and one gimbal mount on nose, but I see from the released arts that the two M3As are mounted on a ball shape unmanned turret, which will be the case? The 2 M3A’s mounted in the concept art are installed in place of the Tractor Beam (guns are sexier anyways). When the Reliant lands in your hangar, you’ll have 2 Size 1 guns on the wings, and the S3 hardpoint on the wing-tip where the Turret is now. GeraldEvans and Ragnor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 Fan modification of CIG art - (decent job) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsuragi Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I can't decide how much I loathe this ship because it looks like a huge boondoggle. The point in it rotating is... because! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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