VoA Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 The recent Freelancer Commercial shows the Bending of Space (or Worm Hole) (see details below) -- Physics of a Space Jump (more like Babylon 5 or Star Gate - without the gates). Not like a typical Star Wars or Elite Dangerous where they have the stars wizzing by (pretending you are breaking the physics laws and going FTL). ---Vid at bottom of post You don't actually travel faster than light (FTL) within a jump point or a worm hole. You still travel a sub-light speed (in Star Citizen 0.2 the speed of light). How you traverse the distance between systems faster in a worm hole (or jump point).... is by bending space so the distance is reduced between the system. <<<< ------ This is a modern day physics theory derived by Einstein and later refined by other modern physicist. Think of space being a flat sheet of paper... then you fold the paper and punch a hole through the folded sheet of paper. When the paper is unfolded the distance between the holes is greater. When you fold the paper the distance between the holes is small. This theory has a basis in observable fact - heavy objects "Bend" space - that is why light bends around stars as you look beyond them. Astrophysicist use this technique called "lensing" to see into the distant past to see the first galaxies that were formed shortly after the Big Bang. They know the age of the galaxies by their red-shift of light (showing that they are moving away faster than the other galaxies) and this indicates that they are older (or some of the oldest galaxies in the observable universe). http://gfycat.com/HugeRipeBighornedsheep Leggo, Puls0nic, byuknight and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgen Black Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 uh, my brain hurts just thinking about all that physics stuff. Remind me never to get in an argument with you about anything, lol. Zero Null Cero Jap Fantom, VoA and Leggo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith_Solo Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 wow cool that is super interesting. i love how they are thinking about actual scientific theories and physics incorporating them into the game VoA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reavern Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I love the "space jump" effect seen in the Freelancer commercial. It's similar to how I envisioned it, with the "electrical turbulence" charging up around the ship -- I think inspired by the turbulence build-up that jets experience as they approach and breach the sound barrier: Based on the Freelancer brochure, the Tarsus jump engine is located amidships on the Freelancer, which appears to be where that electrical turbulence emanates from. By far the coolest part is how the image of the ship distorts and elongates, and there appear to be three successive parts of the ship accelerating into the worm hole slightly out of sync. I didn't envision that special effect, and kudos to CIG for coming up with that. VoA and Drakanis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jap Fantom Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 The evidence for this theory doesn't seem very scientific, "heavy objects bend in space because it has been observed to do so". To me its like saying the world is flat because that's what it looks like when I look out in the distance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 The evidence for this theory doesn't seem very scientific, "heavy objects bend in space because it has been observed to do so". To me its like saying the world is flat because that's what it looks like when I look out in the distance It's a little more complicated than that. Start with E=mc2 .... If mass can "bend space" --- and this is a "known observable fact".... then Einstein's equation also allows for "energy" to... "bend space" (or to open up a worm hole - a widely accepted theory). If you read some of the works of Steven Hawkins you can understand it more. Another thing to see is Morgan Freeman's "Into the Wormhole" (The Science Channel has a number of good programs on Physics and Astrophysics). Drakanis, Dr. Bright and Puls0nic 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Core Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Event Horizon comes to mind when you hear that explenation. Seeing as they use the exact same one. VoA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jap Fantom Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 It's a little more complicated than that. Start with E=mc2 .... If mass can "bend space" --- and this is a "known observable fact".... then Einstein's equation also allows for "energy" to... "bend space" (or to open up a worm hole - a widely accepted theory). If you read some of the works of Steven Hawkins you can understand it more. Another thing to see is Morgan Freeman's "Into the Wormhole" (The Science Channel has a number of good programs on Physics and Astrophysics). I'm not really one to read. Just fishing for more of an explanation. But I kinda get it a bit more now. Oh and I realized I missed the whole point of it being about the worm hole. I just thought it was about the jump point. Now I get why you punch a hole in the paper VoA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 I'm not really one to read. Just fishing for more of an explanation. But I kinda get it a bit more now. Oh and I realized I missed the whole point of it being about the worm hole. I just thought it was about the jump point. Now I get why you punch a hole in the paper I have to admit - I wasn't the one who came up with the paper analogy (I think it was Steven Hawkins). As for how it applies to Star Citizen.... CIG mentioned that we will have to Navigate and dodge obstacles or bends in the Worm Hole as you traverse from the Entry Point of a Jump Point ... to the Exit Point of the Jump Point. You would have to be travelling slower than light speed if you need to change direction - as CIG explains (0.2 the speed of light is the max speed in SC). If you were travelling FTL and changed direction your inertia would cause you to disintegrate. +++++++ If you want to get deep into Physics..... every object in space that has mass... is constantly changing direction and has constant rotation + vibrates.... or some kind of motion. If an object has heat it means that it is also vibrating (since nothing except empty space is at absolute zero). Every object that has mass is influenced by other objects of mass through gravity. So..... as I mentioned above - there is no way to "travel a straight line".... without some pull of an object from gravity, some vibration, some rotation... and since there will always be these "influences" on your "unstable" faster than light travel - inertia would cause you to disintegrate. Also it takes infinite energy to bring mass up to the speed of light - especially since "time" slows down as you approach the speed of light. Taking a step further you can get into Quantum Mechanics.... but... I have a feeling some have already stopped reading this science stuff... Jap Fantom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jap Fantom Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I have to admit - I wasn't the one who came up with the paper analogy (I think it was Steven Hawkins). As for how it applies to Star Citizen.... CIG mentioned that we will have to Navigate and dodge obstacles or bends in the Worm Hole as you traverse from the Entry Point of a Jump Point ... to the Exit Point of the Jump Point. You would have to be traveling slower than light speed if you need to change direction - as CIG explains (0.2 the speed of light is the max speed in SC). If you were traveling FTL and changed direction your inertia would cause you to disintegrate. I see. Also thanks for suggesting Morgan Freeman worm hole doco, I'm currently watching it and so far its pretty interesting. I may not be one to read but I love watching videos VoA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jap Fantom Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Event Horizon comes to mind when you hear that explenation. Seeing as they use the exact same one. Are you referring to the movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleaf Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 according to the latest theory in bending space... it is space that is moving. with that in mind, you are going the speed of zero. VoA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 Copying this on this thread as well since it is a new confirmation the OP One of the most revealing interviews to date --- MUST SEE interview. Some personal notes that I loved about it was the Nod to Babylon 5 (my favorite Sci-Fi Series - per my signature) ++ Confirmation of Jump Points being a bending of Space and not FTL (he even cited the 1:18 min into interview) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_SFmrGxnVw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerkerz Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 according to the latest theory in bending space... it is space that is moving. with that in mind, you are going the speed of zero. You still have to move between the portal so you must have some speed, like Portal(game). Standing still wont get you through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valenquo Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Nice, Tales of Citizens got Travis Day on their podcast. Downloading and going to listen to it at the beach Although I am glad to see that they have something close to science explanation in their ways of traveling in space. As long as we have anti-matter, energy is quasi-infinite, and so we have no resource limitation and can create just about whatever we want, from spaceships to lasers :-) Although I still don't know if I like the slower than light lasers in AC... VoA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puls0nic Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Agreed that this is a jumppoint the Freelancer traversed. According to the lore, when you activate your jump engine the jumppoint "pulls" you through, which seems to happen in the commercial. It's been hinted at that you need some type of dark energy / exotic matter to interact with the jumppoint and go through. But I suppose we'll see more about it as time goes on. VoA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerkerz Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Agreed that this is a jumppoint the Freelancer traversed. According to the lore, when you activate your jump engine the jumppoint "pulls" you through, which seems to happen in the commercial. It's been hinted at that you need some type of dark energy / exotic matter to interact with the jumppoint and go through. But I suppose we'll see more about it as time goes on. Negative energy I thinks its called. VoA and Puls0nic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puls0nic Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Negative energy I thinks its called. Possibly.... "Would a rose by any other name still smell as sweet?" - Shakespeare zerkerz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleaf Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 true enough. we do not even have a clue as to what dark matter is. to define something we have so little information on is just silly. dark matter, or negitive energy is just a label we throw on what we think is the force we observe. we can just as well call it bob for what it really matters. we do know however that a teaspoon of the stuff can sink the entire north eastern united states into the ocean if detonated. relax though guys.... it would bankrupt a first world nation to produce just half that amount. i loves exotic matter and energies. amazing stuff, that we know so little about. in actual practice of what chris roberts is displaying is kind of what nasa (murican space program) is currently working on. http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/164326-nasa-discusses-its-warp-drive-research-prepares-to-create-a-warp-bubble-in-the-lab . too tired to hunt down origional articles right now. but should this tech go right, then we will see faster than light travel at the magnitude of x20 times the speed of light. this will put us at the nearest habitable star in three weeks travel time. i say 20x the speed, but really that mesurement is a tad false...since you arn't moving it's space.....ok maybe i am too tired for this right now.. and no, you do not have to transverse anything. space itself exspans behind you and constricts in front. this causes you to " move" . much like if you splash your hand down behind the rubber ducky in your bathtub. the water at your hand constricts the lines of water and expands it futher out. anything between those two points is dragged tword where your hand went sploosh. go play in the tub with a rubber ducky... the duck has no power, but the water makes it move.....tell the wife it's science and quantum physics... hopefully she doesn't call her mother. let's explain it with rubber ducks ! - Aleaf VoA and Puls0nic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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