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My guess is that the Retribution is a UEE Battlecruiser.

 

In JP4, it referred to the Vanduul X12 warship, which carried 300 Scythe fighters (significantly more than a Bengal Carrier) and was comparable in tonnage to the UEE's Indefatigable-class warship.

 

Since the X12 carries more fighters than the Bengal, my guess is that it's the Vanduul "Kingship" Carrier / Flagship. The "Drillers" Harvester Carrier looks too small to carry 300 Scythes, and it's obviously designed to carry Harvesters, not fighters. The "Mauler" Cruiser is even smaller. That means the only possible candidate (that we know of) for the X12 is the Kingship.

 

If the Kingship is comparable in tonnage to the UEE's Indefatigable-class warship, presumably that is a UEE battleship, dreadnought, or flagship.

 

Therefore, the UEE Retribution-class warship is most likely a Battlecruiser, since it's main armament is supposedly the same anti-capital ship turret as seen on the Bengal Carrier. Historically, the main armament of RL battlecruisers was comparable to battleships (not really, but close), but they had lighter armour for greater speed. It would make sense for the UEE Battlecruiser to have the same main armament as a battleship or battle-carrier, and lighter armour. That's why I believe the Retribution-class warship is a UEE Battlecruiser. :D

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@Reavern I'm actually going to disagree with you on this one Reavern, the fact that the Retribution Class carries multiple "Ship Buster" rail guns (while a ship that we KNOW is as massive as the Bengal Carrier only has one) screams to me that this ship MUST be as big or even bigger than a Bengal Class Carrier...  The only ships that we know of that can be that big are the Battleships, therefore the Retribution class is most likely a Battleship. If the Retribution Class had one "Ship Buster"  I'd say it was a cruiser, if it had two I'd be willing to agree to Battlecruiser, but since the Retribution Class has "a series of the weapons" it's probably much bigger than a Battlecruiser, and probably even bigger than (or at least comparable to) the Bengal Class which is a Fleet Carrier (not to be confused with the smaller Panther Class Escort Carrier).

 

My personal guess, as I stated earlier is that the Retribution Class is a Battleship, and not only that, I think that it might also be the replacement for the UEE's Indefatigable Class Battleship, since we know that the Indefatigable class has pretty much been phased out of service  (which is why there are several abandoned Indefatigable Class Battleship hulls incorporated into the construction of Spider), it stands to reason that this is the ship that replaced it.  Perhaps the name of the class "Retribution" is a veiled reference to it's role, and that it was designed to exact "retribution" against the Vanduul and their "kingships" ... something that the Indefatigable's design was too dated & obsolete to do effectively (no armament of "Ship Buster rail guns"?)

 

P.S.  The Indefatigable Class was specifically referred to as a "Battleship" in the lore entry on Cathcart/Spider, when they described the class as one of the classes of abandoned &  mothballed starshhips that have been incorporated into the construction of Spider.

 

The abandoned Indefatigable-class battleship you docked with to purchase narcotics a month ago may be an agro-habitat today.

 

P.P.S.  Another interesting side-note from the Behring Jump Point article.... Did anyone else notice that they referred to the Javellin Class as a "Corvette"  Probably just a slip up, but who knows.  It might explain why the Javellin isn't significantly larger than the Idris, maybe they both were originally designed for similar roles with the Idris being the "older model" that the Javelin replaced (which is why the Idris is now available on the civilian market")  but then they decided to "upscale" the ship and turn it into the UEE Destroyer.  However, because it was originally designed as a Corvette, there are still some lore articles that accidentally refer to it's original role as a Corvette (and the replacement for the Idris?)......  OR it could just be a typo ;)

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@Reavern I'm actually going to disagree with you on this one Reavern, the fact that the Retribution Class carries multiple "Ship Buster" rail guns (while a ship that we KNOW is as massive as the Bengal Carrier only has one) screams to me that this ship MUST be as big or even bigger than a Bengal Class Carrier...  The only ships that we know of that can be that big are the Battleships, therefore the Retribution class is most likely a Battleship. If the Retribution Class had one "Ship Buster"  I'd say it was a cruiser, if it had two I'd be willing to agree to Battlecruiser, but since the Retribution Class has "a series of the weapons" it's probably much bigger than a Battlecruiser, and probably even bigger than (or at least comparable to) the Bengal Class which is a Fleet Carrier (not to be confused with the smaller Panther Class Escort Carrier).

 

My personal guess, as I stated earlier is that the Retribution Class is a Battleship, and not only that, I think that it might also be the replacement for the UEE's Indefatigable Class Battleship, since we know that the Indefatigable class has pretty much been phased out of service  (which is why there are several abandoned Indefatigable Class Battleship hulls incorporated into the construction of Spider), it stands to reason that this is the ship that replaced it.  Perhaps the name of the class "Retribution" is a veiled reference to it's role, and that it was designed to exact "retribution" against the Vanduul and their "kingships" ... something that the Indefatigable's design was too dated & obsolete to do effectively (no armament of "Ship Buster rail guns"?)

 

P.S.  The Indefatigable Class was specifically referred to as a "Battleship" in the lore entry on Cathcart/Spider, when they described the class as one of the classes of abandoned &  mothballed starshhips that have been incorporated into the construction of Spider.

 

It's certainly possible that the Retribution-class is a battleship. The reason why I speculated it was a UEE battlecruiser was because, considering how much time and effort CIG has put into the Idris Corvette, I doubt CIG will design more than one of each type of UEE capital ship for Star Citizen's retail launch. It probably won't be possible for any one player to afford to own or operate a capital ship, and they'll even be rare amongst large Orgs. It seems like a waste of time and resources to build multiple battleships, which very few players will ever use.

 

It occurs to me though, the Indefatigable could simply be from the lore and it won't be a functional ship in the game. It sounds like it could be a space hulk found in Cathcart, but it won't be fully designed, inside and out, so CIG won't spend as much time and resources building it.

 

It's possible that the Retribution-class is the one "flyable" UEE Battleship in Star Citizen.

 

However, upon further investigation, I discovered that nowhere in the Stretch Goals is there any mention of a "battleship" unlocked as a player flyable capital ship.  :huh:

 

Destroyers and Cruisers were unlocked at $4.5 million. The Bengal Carrier was unlocked at $5.5 million. Frigates were unlocked at $13 million. The Escort Carrier was unlocked at $15 million. And the Battlecruiser was unlocked at $17 million. No mention of a battleship, except for the old Indefatigable-class in the lore. I know backers predicted that a battleship would probably be a stretch goal sometime after the Battlecruiser unlock, but it didn't happen -- at least, not yet. ;)  So there's no guarantee that there will be a UEE battleship included in Star Citizen's retail launch.

 

I based my speculation on the $17 million stretch goal unlocked the UEE battlecruiser for the retail launch, which is why I believe it's the Retribution-class. Also, JP2 stated:

 

The Bengal-class is UEE's "tip of the sword." The iconic Bengal is the most powerful warship available to the UEE Navy...

 

The implication is that there isn't a larger or more powerful UEE warship than the Bengal Carrier in service in 2944, which means the UEE Navy either doesn't have a battleship (after the Indefatigable-class was retired), or the UEE battleship is smaller and/or less powerful than the Bengal. It's plausible that the UEE battlecruiser is smaller and less powerful than the Bengal Carrier. Even if it has multiple "super turrets" equivalent to the Bengal's ventral quad-cannon turret and technically outguns the Bengal, the Carrier probably can deploy greater destructive power from longer range, which is why it's considered "the most powerful UEE warship."

 

I agree with you though about the class name "Retribution" is befitting a battleship; one designed and built to avenge the grievous losses suffered by the UEE Navy in battle against the Vanduul, and as a counter to the Vanduul "Kingship" Carrier / Flagship.

 

I certainly won't be disappointed or complain if the Retribution turns out to be a battleship. :D

 

P.P.S.  Another interesting side-note from the Behring Jump Point article.... Did anyone else notice that they referred to the Javellin Class as a "Corvette"  Probably just a slip up, but who knows.  It might explain why the Javellin isn't significantly larger than the Idris, maybe they both were originally designed for similar roles with the Idris being the "older model" that the Javelin replaced (which is why the Idris is now available on the civilian market")  but then they decided to "upscale" the ship and turn it into the UEE Destroyer.  However, because it was originally designed as a Corvette, there are still some lore articles that accidentally refer to it's original role as a Corvette (and the replacement for the Idris?)......  OR it could just be a typo  ;)

 
I saw that too. It's possible it's a typo, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Javelin is actually a Corvette.
 
I speculated that considering the Javelin shares many features in common with the Idris Corvette, was the Javelin an alternate design concept for the Idris Corvette? The Javelin is clearly larger than the Idris, which might be why it wasn't chosen for the Idris, and instead was deemed a "destroyer".
 
As I've mentioned before, I don't believe the Javelin is large enough or well-armed enough to be classified as a destroyer, especially in comparison to the Vanduul "Hunter" Destroyer. If the Javelin was re-classified as a Frigate, that would be more plausible -- I'd prefer that. :)
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As I've mentioned before, I don't believe the Javelin is large enough or well-armed enough to be classified as a destroyer, especially in comparison to the Vanduul "Hunter" Destroyer. If the Javelin was re-classified as a Frigate, that would be more plausible -- I'd prefer that. :)

 

 

Either that, or the Idris class needs to be re-classified as a Frigate... either way though I agree, that the Idris and the Javelin are too close together in size and capabilities.  Yes, the Javelin is bigger, stronger, more powerful, etc... but it's not "that much" bigger, stronger, powerful, etc....  there just isn't really much room to slip something in between class-wise. 

 

BUT back to our original discussion....

 

 

However, upon further investigation, I discovered that nowhere in the Stretch Goals is there any mention of a "battleship" unlocked as a player flyable capital ship.  :huh:

 

Destroyers and Cruisers were unlocked at $4.5 million. The Bengal Carrier was unlocked at $5.5 million. Frigates were unlocked at $13 million. The Escort Carrier was unlocked at $15 million. And the Battlecruiser was unlocked at $17 million. No mention of a battleship, except for the old Indefatigable-class in the lore. I know backers predicted that a battleship would probably be a stretch goal sometime after the Battlecruiser unlock, but it didn't happen -- at least, not yet. ;)  So there's no guarantee that there will be a UEE battleship included in Star Citizen's retail launch.

 

 

Another possibility (that I'll admit isn't nearly as fun) is that the "Retribution Class" is just a name that they threw out into the wilds for the Lore article, and we're all reading waaaaay too much into it, because the name was never intended for any ship in game (whether it was a Battleship, battlecruiser, cruiser, or even a space "battle" station (of the "small moon" variety or otherwise)... either way, I guess time will tell.  

 

But, IF the Retiribution Class exists, there are two things I can state with absolute certainty though:

  1. I really want Imperium to get/capture/buy/recover one and add it to our fleet.  ((I'm sure the guys in CCC will love it).
  2. I REALLY want to fire off the main guns and see what a "series" of "Ship Buster" rail guns can do ;)
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Indefatigable-class is a battleship according to this article.

 

But to add to the discussion, the left hand doesn't often know what the right hand is doing see these quotes.

 

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/2984480/#Comment_2984480

 

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/2985194/#Comment_2985194

 

Robbie didn't have much lore information on the Indefatigable Class.

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@Wu Jen  I thought that the Indefatigable-class was an obsolete model of (space) battleship... which is why the hulks of decommissioned units in this class could be found (re-purposed) in Spider.

 

Meanwhile the Retribution-class was the latest/current model of (space) battleship currently in use by the UEE  (and someday, Imperium!)

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@Wu Jen  I thought that the Indefatigable-class was an obsolete model of (space) battleship... which is why the hulks of decommissioned units in this class could be found (re-purposed) in Spider.

 

Meanwhile the Retribution-class was the latest/current model of (space) battleship currently in use by the UEE  (and someday, Imperium!)

Sorry Arcanus, I just re-read your post and saw that you had already posted about the Cathcart article.

 

I was also under the assumption that the Indefatigable class, was the battleship class that we have not seen yet.

 

The Retribution class is the Super-Dreadnaught Class right?

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Sorry Arcanus, I just re-read your post and saw that you had already posted about the Cathcart article.

 

I was also under the assumption that the Indefatigable class, was the battleship class that we have not seen yet.

 

The Retribution class is the Super-Dreadnaught Class right?

 

@Wu Jen - Pretty much.  Information on the class appears to be extremely sketchy, all we know for sure is this:

  1.  It's BIG! (bigger than the Bengal-class Fleet Carrier, which sits at just over 1 km in length).
  2. It's so big in fact, that it is too big to be manufactured by any single manufacturer (RSI/Aegis/Anvil/etc) like the Bengal-class Carrier (built by RSI), but rather is actually built by an entire consortium of manufacturers (although the exact mix of companies hasn't been named).
  3. Rather than the single "Ship Buster" railgun (made by Behring) that is the main anti-ship gun on the Bengal-class Carrier, the Retribution-class mounts and entire "array" of these massive railguns (although how many rail guns constitutes an "array" was left rather vague) as it's main armament.

... and of course, even what little we "know" is subject to change, because everything is still very much WIP.

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Retribution-class Superdreadnought [Probably]

Star Citizen sneak peaks from Sandi Gardiner's facebook and AtV, respectively. Based on some of the design language and the relatively small Bengal carrier shown in the first image, I believe this to be the Retribution-class Superdreadnought.

 
Bengal for Scale
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The "Sky-Dock"
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http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Retribution_Class_Capital_Ship

 

Retribution Class capital ship was mentioned in the Rail Guns section of the Behring Applied Technology Galactic Guide.[1]

“ The Retribution is manufactured by multiple companies working together [...] ”

–developer Robbie.Elms on July 16, 2014[2]

 
“ [What] info we have on the Retribution states its Class is Super Dreadnought. ”

–developer Robbie.Elms on July 17, 2014[3]

 

 

 

 

 

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Christ that thing is massive.  Not sure what the tuning fork design is for atm, but I'm personally hoping it is for a Babylon 5 style mass driver.

 

 

Yeh it seems kinda like an electro magnetic rail gun....A very large one at that.

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Yeah, I'm much more interested in attacking one than being on one, though I'd definitely settle for fighting alongside one as we attacked another one :)

 

Can't wait to fight big-ass ships, going inside the shield envelope with a wild weasel squadron knocking out defense components while the torpedoes bear down...

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Can you imagine the number of fighters that could hide in the shadow of one of these? Suddently to appear from underneath and begin the swarm... :)

 

Well along the sides of the ship appear to be hangars so I suspect it can carry a large volume of fighter craft anyway! Also not sure if the pic of it with the Idris is showing it docked or not. Not sure what use 1 Idris would be with that ship but I guess it could act as the Captain yacht haha.

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