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Look, either way, it coming along eventually. 153m is the new (vague) length as the won't touch the internal bridge yet. However, I'm sad that the (snub) hanger with p-52 is claustrophobic. Only barely big enough for the p-52, however it will be the new snub shuttle. I hope, it's not build the garage then build the car.    

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There seems to be room fore and aft, but about seems to be limited and the same with the sides.

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1 hour ago, Devil Khan said:

Look, either way, it coming along eventually. 153m is the new (vague) length as the won't touch the internal bridge yet. However, I'm sad that the (snub) hanger with p-52 is claustrophobic. Only barely big enough for the p-52, however it will be the new snub shuttle. I hope, it's not build the garage then build the car.    

 There seems to be room fore and aft, but about seems to be limited and the same with the sides.

People are just pissy that the Carrack won't be able to carry a starfighter. They somehow don't understand that the Carrack is an exploration ship, not a capital ship, like the Polaris. The Carrack only needs to carry a snubfighter. It's hangar is as large as it needs to be.

I'm more interested in the layout of the rest of the Carrack. The earliest concept pics showed beds in alcoves on the sides bridge, but those were removed, thankfully. Presumably the ship will have a bunk room for the crew and a captain's suite. The recent pics showed the Carrack has some crew amenities, like a pool table.

I want to know more about the Carrack's deployable modules and what purpose they serve. I suspect they were a precursor to player-built Outposts. Perhaps the modules were intended to form a prefab mini-base, which would allow the Carrack to stake a claim on a newly discovered planet. The Carrack could leave some of its crew at the mini-base while it returned to UEE space to report its discovery and/or gather more supplies and buy more modules to expand the mini-base.

However, now with the Pioneer's ability to fabricate outposts, the Carrack's modules aren't as extraordinary. That's why I want CIG to explain what they're for.

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No, I also knew that the craft is a snub shuttle, meant to carry at least two. However, the fact that it's very low down due to viewing the wings of the p52 and hanger walls. That is what I am talking about the Pisces. However, it would be a bigger as it would need to  go trough jump points and carry more people and equipment. I wouldn't be surprised if it's weaponless as well. I should years ago of the Shuttles from BSG and basically it did the same things that would be wanted. However, there has been some possible changes in what the role of the Pisces.

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This is just an example.

Also, no-one has mentions what the modules are/can be. There is a difference between a Military deep space explorer and corporation colonizer/outpost manufacture. 

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People are just pissy that the Carrack won't be able to carry a starfighter. 

That's because they are still stuck on the existing paradigm of video games - caught between COD:IW, Dreadnaught, ME:A and Skyrim. As an exploration ship in a game that will change many things in the video game industry, the Carrack should have the equivalent of a captains runabout (similar to the 85X but maybe 2/3 the size of a terrapin with similar capabilities), and one capable of defending itself to a point where it can get away - just as the Carrack should be able to do.

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On 12/2/2017 at 4:11 PM, Gremlich said:

That's because they are still stuck on the existing paradigm of video games - caught between COD:IW, Dreadnaught, ME:A and Skyrim. As an exploration ship in a game that will change many things in the video game industry, the Carrack should have the equivalent of a captains runabout (similar to the 85X but maybe 2/3 the size of a terrapin with similar capabilities), and one capable of defending itself to a point where it can get away - just as the Carrack should be able to do.

The snubcraft you're describing sounds similar to the MPUV, which is shorter than a Merlin, but twice as tall. If the Carrack's scout ship hangar has a low ceiling, like in the grey box pic, the MPUV won't fit inside.

When I think about it, the scout ship hangar is incredibly wasteful, because clearance is needed all around the scout craft so that it can safely take-off and land vertically. All that empty space is unused and wasted. The Constellation's method of carrying and deploying a snub is far more space efficient. If the Carrack has a hangar, why not make it large enough for a decent sized ship?

I know that's going against my earlier comment about over-privileged Carrack owners whining that their ship should be able to carry a starfighter. I'm a Carrack owner myself, but I don't care about carrying a starfighter. I'd like to carry a small exploration ship, like a Terrapin or 315p, or a runabout for ferrying a landing party to a planet/moon/asteroid's surface, instead of landing the Carrack itself. If idiots want to waste their scout ship hangar carrying a starfighter aboard the Carrack, I say let 'em. It'll just undermine their exploration capabilities.

Another option is allow the Carrack to carry a Terrapin externally. There's plenty of room on the ventral-aft section beneath the main engines to dock a Terrapin, Constellation-style. The Terrapin is only 6 metres tall and probably wouldn't stick out below the ventral-front section of the Carrack, so it wouldn't even effect the ship's profile. Alternatively, the Carrack has the distinctive Anvil circle on top, between the main fuselage and engines. It's marked as the ship's "Ion Power Generator". That whole thing can't possibly be a power generator. Not even the Idris Frigate has a 25-metre diameter power plant. That circle has to be the Carrack's "main engineering" room, like in Star Trek, and the ship's power plant is in the center. My point is that Anvil dome shape on the dorsal hull could be changed into a landing pad and docking mechanism for a Terrapin. It wouldn't even need a docking collar to enter/exit the Terrapin. The Carrack already has an EVA Room leading to the dorsal hull. All it needs is stairs up to circular landing pad.

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Or, even simpler, make the Scout Ship Hangar's doors sturdy enough to double as a landing pad. The Carrack is an Anvil ship after all; they make the toughest ships. It seems plausible that Anvil would make the Carrack's hangar doors strong enough to support a medium-size ship.

Just sayin'. ;)

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On 12/3/2017 at 8:38 PM, Reavern said:

If the Carrack has a hangar, why not make it large enough for a decent sized ship?

Indeed. The terrapin, or a smaller version of it, could fit where the extra cargo hold in your image would be. OR, put it where the rover is (ala the merlin/archimedes) and have the rover deploy from a lower point behind the huge ventral cargo boxes

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What I find strange is that Ben said last year that only the Pisces would fit. That had me thinking of a custom shaped launch bay. Maximize all available space and have the Scout fit like a puzzle piece. The preview shown during the anniversary series looks anything but. It appears that it would need a couple of metres wider and several taller to hold a ship like the Argo. So are they just showing an empty bay and they're going to do more to it later? Or did plans change? Only time will tell.

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49 minutes ago, GeraldEvans said:

What I find strange is that Ben said last year that only the Pisces would fit. That had me thinking of a custom shaped launch bay. Maximize all available space and have the Scout fit like a puzzle piece. The preview shown during the anniversary series looks anything but. It appears that it would need a couple of metres wider and several taller to hold a ship like the Argo. So are they just showing an empty bay and they're going to do more to it later? Or did plans change? Only time will tell.

I don't have enough fingers for the amount of times Ben has been wrong. He's a great guy but definitely not someone I would go to for concrete information. And don't get me wrong, it's alpha and nothing is concrete, but Ben has literally been wrong about almost everything except the vague info. Anything specific it's like he's living in another world. 

The Carrack's hangar will most likely be modular. There was a quite awhile back, don't remember who said it, that hangar bays are being designed to be modular and not ship specific. If it fits, and the hangar ship can support it's mass, it's good to go. 

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18 hours ago, Donut said:

I don't have enough fingers for the amount of times Ben has been wrong. He's a great guy but definitely not someone I would go to for concrete information. And don't get me wrong, it's alpha and nothing is concrete, but Ben has literally been wrong about almost everything except the vague info. Anything specific it's like he's living in another world. 

The Carrack's hangar will most likely be modular. There was a quite awhile back, don't remember who said it, that hangar bays are being designed to be modular and not ship specific. If it fits, and the hangar ship can support it's mass, it's good to go. 

I agree. Ben is not precise in what he says, especially in his informal Bensday interviews with Batgirl. The Pisces is bundled with the Carrack, so in Ben's mind that means the only ship the Carrack is intended to carry is the Pisces -- which is shortened to "the Pisces is the only ship the Carrack can carry".

Some people take those statements too literally -- as gospel :rolleyes: -- and jump to the conclusion that must mean the Carrack's Scout Ship Hangar conforms to the size and shape of the Pisces, like it was die-cast molded or something.

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I think the hospital area is too generous, I'd expect something almost the size of the med bay in the Firefly/Serenity with 1, maybe 2 max beds which could double as isolation chambers. More room will be taken up by Science positions: sampling/initial analysis, hydroponics/aquaculture, geology et al, meteorology, 3D printer, etc...

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