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Ben did state on rtv i think that it is bigger than the Connie now not much but a little

 

Even if the Carrack is only slightly bigger than the Connie, the fact that the Carrack is a two-deck ship will mean it is much more spacious inside.

 

Carrack_bridge_atv19.jpg

 

Look at it: the Carrack basically has an observation lounge stacked on top of a Connie's bridge. Presumably the two decks run the full length of the fuselage, which means there will be plenty of room for crew quarters, amenities, medical and repair bays, a small cargo hold, and presumably the power plant room.

 

As much as I like the Constellation Aquila, I think the Carrack is the superior ship for long duration deep space exploration. I wouldn't want to spend more than a few days aboard an Aquila, whereas I could probably live aboard a Carrack. :)

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Even if the Carrack is only slightly bigger than the Connie, the fact that the Carrack is a two-deck ship will mean it is much more spacious inside.

 

Carrack_bridge_atv19.jpg

 

Look at it: the Carrack basically has an observation lounge stacked on top of a Connie's bridge. Presumably the two decks run the full length of the fuselage, which means there will be plenty of room for crew quarters, amenities, medical and repair bays, a small cargo hold, and presumably the power plant room.

 

As much as I like the Constellation Aquila, I think the Carrack is the superior ship for long duration deep space exploration. I wouldn't want to spend more than a few days aboard an Aquila, whereas I could probably live aboard a Carrack. :)

If that's true I assume Carrack will be at the $400 mark if not more. 

I agreed that Carrack might be superior to Aquila for deep space exploration

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Even if the Carrack is only slightly bigger than the Connie, the fact that the Carrack is a two-deck ship will mean it is much more spacious inside.

 

Carrack_bridge_atv19.jpg

 

Look at it: the Carrack basically has an observation lounge stacked on top of a Connie's bridge. Presumably the two decks run the full length of the fuselage, which means there will be plenty of room for crew quarters, amenities, medical and repair bays, a small cargo hold, and presumably the power plant room.

 

As much as I like the Constellation Aquila, I think the Carrack is the superior ship for long duration deep space exploration. I wouldn't want to spend more than a few days aboard an Aquila, whereas I could probably live aboard a Carrack. :)

Great points and I agree...... I intend to get the Carrack and keep my Aquila.   As you know there is a big thread now on the RSI forums about the Carrack's price and versatility vs the Aquila.....  [POLL] How much should the Anvil Carrack cost compared to the RSI Aquila? .... and with 700+ votes now in the community puts its price at an average of $230 which I personally think it should be (less than the Aquila) since it is not as versitle, not as good in combat, doesn't carry as much cargo, and no snub fighter or rover..... but that's what the Carrack should be - just a dedicated Explorer with no other need for other aspects of the game.

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Yep stats on cargo bay and such will be the tell on internal space as said 2 decks will give it allot more room to spend the amount of time needed out in deep space :)

 

hopefully a bar and entertainment area lol :) no reason for lack of amenities whilst all the way out there :) 

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Yep stats on cargo bay and such will be the tell on internal space as said 2 decks will give it allot more room to spend the amount of time needed out in deep space :)

 

hopefully a bar and entertainment area lol :) no reason for lack of amenities whilst all the way out there :)

 

This is why they 890 Jump will be an awesome Exploration ship as well (it actually has some really good sensors too) ..... but might as well enjoy the long exploration right :gr_pimp:

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If that's true I assume Carrack will be at the $400 mark if not more. 

I agreed that Carrack might be superior to Aquila for deep space exploration

 

I don't think the Carrack will be $400. The Reclaimer is ~160 metres long and 600 tons in mass, and it was priced $350 -- same as a Constellation Phoenix. I can't imagine the Carrack being more expensive than the Reclaimer -- that would cause a huge uproar on the forums, similar to the $250 Redeemer controversy, which compelled CIG to revise its stats with nearly twice as many guns and missiles.

 

I predict that the Carrack will be priced $225 during the Concept Sale, and the regular price will be $275, same as the Aquila. The Aquila has slightly better specs in most respects, plus the Ursa Rover, so I think it's reasonable if they're priced the same after the discount is dropped. I agree with @VoA that the Aquila is better suited for planetary exploration using its rover, whereas the Carrack will focus on perilous deep space exploration, which is why it has on-board medical and repair facilities.

 

Probably the most important factor in the Carrack's Concept Sale price is that CIG knows the Carrack will be extremely popular with the Explorer-majority of Star Citizen backers, so they'll focus on profit from volume rather than profit per unit, which means pricing the ship lower -- similar to the Reclaimer, which is much larger than the $600 890 Jump, but only cost $350 during its Concept Sale.

 

Also bear in mind that Anvil Aerospace and RSI are rival ship manufacturing companies in the Star Citizen universe, which means that Anvil will have to price the civilian version of the Carrack competitively with RSI's Aquila exploration ship, despite it being more spacious and (arguably) better equipped for deep space exploration.

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Aquila has the Ursa plus the Merlin. We'll just have to see though. It is possible they will price the Carrack higher, but if it is, I'm out. I'll save the $ for a cargo hold full of Anvil Crucible.

 

Unless CIG announced a change to the Aquila, you're mistaken about it also carrying the Merlin snubfighter. The Aquila doesn't have the Merlin in the Constellation trailer, the brochure, the Ship Stats page, or in the hangar model.

 

I think you're confusing the Aquila with the Constellation Phoenix, which has both a Lynx Rover and the P-72 Archimedes snubfighter.

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This is my Aquila at present.

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Per Alexis at CIG, it comes with a P-52. The Phoenix comes with the P-72

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/171993/constellation-aquila-comes-with-p52

Regardless, I would think it's going to be around $200+ I'd hope for just at $200 so I can buy more ships. Like Reavern said, profit in volume rather than scarcity.

I think the Carrack will be a great ship, but it's going to require an escort. On the other hand, it can both heal crew, and repair the escorting vessels. For solo stuff though? No chance. It's a glass telescope (not cannon). I very much want it.

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This is my Aquila at present.

Per Alexis at CIG, it comes with.

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/171993/constellation-aquila-comes-with-p52

 

Then CIG revised the the Aquila since the variants were released on August 15th, because that post on RSI Forum was made on August 28th, and the Aquila in the commercial clearly doesn't have the Merlin or the docking slot on the tail. The brochure says the Merlin and the docking slot are OPTIONAL, which suggested that the Merlin could be bought afterward, but wasn't included with the Aquila.

 

CIG must have revised that -- probably in response to community pressure -- and the Aquila now includes the Merlin. But they haven't bothered to update the Ship Stats page or Aquila's Ship Details page. (It's annoying how CIG will add new information to the Ship Stats page, like when they added the Redeemer last week or the Cutlass variants last month; but they don't bother to revise the out-of-date information on the rest of the page, like the changes to the Aquila  :rolleyes: .)

 

Regardless, that just means the Aquila has both a rover and a snubfighter, which undoubtedly inflate its price tag, which means that it's more plausible that the Carrack is priced less than the Aquila, especially for the Concept Sale. :)

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I totally get the frustration. But at least they are listening somewhat. I personally would have been happy to buy the P-52, and was hunting for news about it until I saw it was included. :)

I hope they don't try to make everyone happy though. You should not be able to outfit any ship to do anything. I really hope the Carrack is highly capable and relatively fragile. You can't build an end-of-game capable ship and offer it from the get-go. I think CR and CIG are smart enough to see that it needs balance and something to still work for.

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Unless CIG announced a change to the Aquila, you're mistaken about it also carrying the Merlin snubfighter. The Aquila doesn't have the Merlin in the Constellation trailer, the brochure, the Ship Stats page, or in the hangar model.

 

I think you're confusing the Aquila with the Constellation Phoenix, which has both a Lynx Rover and the P-72 Archimedes snubfighter.

Originally (and they could revert back to the original plan)........ was that the Aquila would have a docking collar just like the Phoenix and Andromeda for a Snub Fighter - but wouldn't come with one automatically (the Taurus can never have one because of its larger cargo hold takes up the space for the Snub Fighter).  However........ Ben has been fielded questions on this and he as responded by saying they will give the Aquila a Snub Fighter.  It looks like it now will per image above.

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Anyone else really wanting to see behind that bulkhead?  I really like the feel of this ship and the open front. Cant wait to see the full thing.

 

I agree -- I love the layout of the bridge, especially having the seats hang over the cockpit canopy for maximum visibility. The design demonstrates that it is an uncompromising exploration ship. :) Perhaps it's not the most structurally sound or resilient design if the ship comes under attack -- I'm hoping that there are extendable armoured shutters, similar to the Aquila's half-sphere cockpit design.

 

Regarding what's behind the bridge's aftward bulkhead -- I hope that the Carrack's internal layout is as follows:

 

              ______________________  ___________________________________ ______________  ____________________

             /   Observation Lounge  || Crew Quarters & Living Amenities ||  Medical Bay  ||      Fuel Tanks      |

FORE    |        -----------------------------||------------------------------------------------------||----------------------||      Power Plant      |  AFT

             \________Bridge_______ || __Computer Core__|__Repair Bay__||__Cargo Bay__||__Adv. Jump Drive__|

 

(Diagram not to scale)

             

The top deck has the "Observation Lounge" up front; in the next compartment there are spacious crew quarters and living amenities, and probably a dorsal and side docking ports; then the Medical Bay; and the Power Plant room. The lower deck has the Bridge with overhanging crew chairs; the next compartment contains the Computer Core, as well as probably the entry lift or ramp for entering/exiting the ship; next is the Repair Bay, which has a large pressure-sealed door to the Cargo Bay; the Cargo Bay probably has a "bucket" deck-door, similar to the Constellation, which enables the floor to slide down for loading cargo and/or swing down like a trap door for dumping cargo or loading larger objects from space; finally there's the lower deck entry to the Power Plant Room.

 

I didn't account for weapon hardpoints, sensors, or engines, because they're external features.

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I don't know.  I'd like my ship to do one thing really well (for it's purchase point), and to deal with the consequences. I want to choose what role I'm playing and deal with what that comes with. I'm in a super capable close support fighter. Therefore I can't jump and can't carry much. But I can blow a hole right through you. I'm in a giant cargo ship. I'm not going to turn on a dime and outmaneuver the fighter. But I'll use my income to hire escorts. Etc. Etc.  Otherwise we're playing Destiny only out of atmo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUIvhQPPCRg  "Three races that make zero difference, and three classes that make a very slight difference every so often."

 

@Reavern I think you probably have the layout about right.  From the upper deck concept art we've seen the first section holds the mapping table.  The concept detail has that fourth seat behind the amaze-balls canopy. What is that one for?

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I hope there is a battle version of the ship or at least some concept varieties :)

It wouldn't make sense to have a Combat Version of the Carrack (especially with that open glass bridge and it being a dedicated explorer).  The Aquila is the better choice since the Connie is a Chassis that is meant for Space Superiority.  Also see this thread (link below and see embedded RSI link where over 785+ votes) for more details on this and Cast your Vote - since CIG will be pricing the Carrack soon (possibly today!)

 

and the RSI Poll -->> [POLL] How much should the Anvil Carrack cost compared to the RSI Aquila?

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It wouldn't make sense to have a Combat Version of the Carrack (especially with that open glass bridge and it being a dedicated explorer).  The Aquila is the better choice since the Connie is a Chassis that is meant for Space Superiority.  

 
Not necessarily as was pointed out to me earlier in this thread...
 

 

... CIG chose Anvil because its reputation was established as the maker of formidable, rugged, and reliable ships for the UEE military, ...

 

Exploration is inherently dangerous, so it's perfectly reasonable that Anvil Aerospace would build a hardy pathfinder ship for the UEE military. The reason why I want the Carrack is precisely because it's an Anvil ship. If it was made by Origin or Drake, I wouldn't be interested in it. :P A rugged and reliable Anvil exploration ship is exactly what I want and what I'll need to explore Vanduul territory. :)

 

And it works according to the description of the ship in the specs page: Originally a military exclusive, the Carrack is now available for civilian use. 

 

... Exploration ships for the UEE military would need to be combat capable, else they would be a liability to the fleet.  This is not to say that the civilian model for the Carrack will have the same specs.  But it seems to fit the lore to have Anvil responsible for building this type of ship for the Navy.

 

Interestingly, I don't want a milspec version of this ship, but there is definitely supportive lore allowing for it to be a viable variant. 

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I took that as referring to the tech inside. Much the same way GPS and LORAN navigation was military before civilian, the Carrack offers a sensor and electronic suite previously restricted to the UEE.  The ship is rugged, and has reinforced long-range fuel tanks. It's just not really offensive.  Regardless, you'll be able to change out the weapons as you like.

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Seriously. I want this ship to require an escort or a sit team nearby. It would be cool if this thing had a long distance runner on the belly so if shit got thick, someone could grab the data drive, hop in this rocket with a seat and try and get back to safety. No guns. Barely any maneuvering thrusters. Just a rocket that burns far and fast. 

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