VoA Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, Maverick said: Seems like you misunderstood. I think there will be far too many ppl trying to get those missions = overwhelming competition = less or no profit = you always have something like the F5 battles during limited shipsales, but then they will take place in your Mobiglass, when new VIP missions are made available. I think you misunderstand the rarity of Luxury Ships in the game.... Maverick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Khan Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 One thing to note 3 cabines ... and a captains quarters(?). Now say 2 people max per cabin and 6 max. I'd say you'd want to charge a fudge ton for them to be profitable. Also, rarity is not exactly at this stage. There are really are rarer with limited numbers connie phoenix. Still, the curved look it isn't there now. I like the style, but tbh its filler and nonsense like the freelancer mis missiles systems. It won't be as profitable as what you think. I do look it has missed the ball. The one thing that it was two seperate corredors people staff and guests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citadel_1664 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I do think that the "Luxury" gameplay elements will be significant in some way shape or form eventually, right now ships like the 890 and the Connie Phoenix are much rarer ships in comparison to other large multi-crew ships like the rest of the Connie line or for the 890 there's not much else in it's class given the size and capital status. The Devs have always said that the 890 will be in limited production "once" in-game and there was a specific number quoted somewhere about the amount of 890's produced and available to buy once the full game is live, so I'm fairly confident that being the end game ship of it's class it will be self sustainable in terms of generating credits at least to some degree. VoA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzby x Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 58 minutes ago, Citadel_1664 said: I do think that the "Luxury" gameplay elements will be significant in some way shape or form eventually, right now ships like the 890 and the Connie Phoenix are much rarer ships in comparison to other large multi-crew ships like the rest of the Connie line or for the 890 there's not much else in it's class given the size and capital status. The Devs have always said that the 890 will be in limited production "once" in-game and there was a specific number quoted somewhere about the amount of 890's produced and available to buy once the full game is live, so I'm fairly confident that being the end game ship of it's class it will be self sustainable in terms of generating credits at least to some degree. there will be NPCs who refuse to ride in anything but the most lavish and extravagant gas-guzzling ships here we call them famous Environmentalists and famous Socialists VoA and Citadel_1664 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Devil Khan said: One thing to note 3 cabines ... and a captains quarters(?). Now say 2 people max per cabin and 6 max. I'd say you'd want to charge a fudge ton for them to be profitable. Not all missions require people to "sleep" - and many will be daily touring runs / meetings / conferences / parties / etc.... which doesn't require multiple night stays. Besides in this future day people are used to having 3 separate 8 hour shifts of sleeping time per bed -------- YES this would even apply to luxury situations (other than the captain's quarters) - because of the premium of space on space ships (a reality even the super rich would have to pay for ------- and if they want to pay for the big bucks then they would pay the amount of 3 passengers just for themselves....... and yes super rich people do that to) 6 hours ago, Devil Khan said: Also, rarity is not exactly at this stage. There are really are rarer with limited numbers connie phoenix. Still, the curved look it isn't there now. Agreed - the Luxury Ships currently are not as rare as they will be at Launch....... especially when you only have less than a half a dozen (thousand) ships..... with "Millions" of players (probably 4-6 million players = most games double or triple their player base at official launch) 6 hours ago, Devil Khan said: I like the style, but tbh its filler and nonsense like the freelancer mis missiles systems. It won't be as profitable as what you think. "Filler" doesn't affect the profitability of VIP ship as it does with a Cargo Ship. Please answer this question - "Don't you think the most valuable cargo in the Verse is Humans ...... and the Humans that pay the most are VIPs"? 3 hours ago, Citadel_1664 said: ........ so I'm fairly confident that being the end game ship of it's class it will be self sustainable in terms of generating credits at least to some degree. Good post and I agree. Besides - I can't think of any other ship that would be more profitable than an 890 Jump........ besides maybe a Hull E (but that will require massive logistics for protection, massive time for loading / unloading / potentially making multiple stops / or simply running missions not at 100% full / etc...) Citadel_1664 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, VoA said: Not all missions require people to "sleep" - and many will be daily touring runs / meetings / conferences / parties / etc.... which doesn't require multiple night stays. Besides in this future day people are used to having 3 separate 8 hour shifts of sleeping time per bed -------- YES this would even apply to luxury situations (other than the captain's quarters) - because of the premium of space on space ships (a reality even the super rich would have to pay for ------- and if they want to pay for the big bucks then they would pay the amount of 3 passengers just for themselves....... and yes super rich people do that to) Even average people booking a journey onboard a luxury liner get their own cabin. I absolutely don't expect the "super rich" to even consider only booking 8h of a cabin to get some rest and I am not aware of any luxury liner that sells beds per hour. Considering this we are back at 6 people max that would have to pay for all the expenses of the journey + profit. 1 hour ago, VoA said: Please answer this question - "Don't you think the most valuable cargo in the Verse is Humans ...... and the Humans that pay the most are VIPs"? No, I don't even think that humans will be the most profitable cargo you can carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Khan Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I do think it would be bad to "have", buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut I don't think it will be a huge money maker. Tbh, I thought there was 5 guest rooms and that was low. I think it should have be done right... especially put some frigging windows on those bed rooms! Also the staff room/area/beds, it's blagh. Drake have way better looking beds tbh and they just stuck a "mat" and few pipes of steel and called it a bed. I am using the 600i as well, I suspect the Banu MM very similar with their bed in the really old pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 21 hours ago, Maverick said: No, I don't even think that humans will be the most profitable cargo you can carry. Use common sense please....... You don't think Air-force One carries the most valuable person alive (thus the most powerful person - and "thing" - unless you think something like the Hadron Collider is more valuable - which can't be monetized) .......... (forget politics please)......... and remember....... people can be held for ransom if kidnapped...... etc... ........ so I hate to break the news to you but the 890 Jump has the highest probability (also based on older RTVs with Ben Lensick - CIG) - to be the most profitable ship in game.... buzby x 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightmist Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Air Force One is a military ship, 890J is a luxury touring ship, will likely be part of travel/service industry. How many first class passengers you need to fly around the world/verse to buy a new plane or a cruise ship again ? I'd expect a Freelancer to be more profitable than a 890J. 890J owners will likely just be doing marginally profitable quests and no one will touch them unless they're really bored since it likely won't be a profitable ship eventhough it's a capital sized ship. If it ends up a relatively profitable ship, it'll likely have a huge target on its back and people will just keep attacking these with all their might because it'll be a soft target.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzby x Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Brightmist said: Air Force One is a military ship, 890J is a luxury touring ship, will likely be part of travel/service industry. How many first class passengers you need to fly around the world/verse to buy a new plane or a cruise ship again ? I'd expect a Freelancer to be more profitable than a 890J. 890J owners will likely just be doing marginally profitable quests and no one will touch them unless they're really bored since it likely won't be a profitable ship eventhough it's a capital sized ship. If it ends up a relatively profitable ship, it'll likely have a huge target on its back and people will just keep attacking these with all their might because it'll be a soft target.. https://lambertpremierauctions.com/johnny-depps-luxury-yacht-available-charter/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightmist Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 That's Johnny Depp's yacht man, not buzby x's. buzby x 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Khan Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 25 minutes ago, Brightmist said: Air Force One is a military ship, 890J is a luxury touring ship, will likely be part of travel/service industry. How many first class passengers you need to fly around the world/verse to buy a new plane or a cruise ship again ? I'd expect a Freelancer to be more profitable than a 890J. 890J owners will likely just be doing marginally profitable quests and no one will touch them unless they're really bored since it likely won't be a profitable ship eventhough it's a capital sized ship. If it ends up a relatively profitable ship, it'll likely have a huge target on its back and people will just keep attacking these with all their might because it'll be a soft target.. Soooo why is the 890J covered with weapons and has a battle bridge... air force 1 had after market upgrades even now it haas no offensive fire power. Also in real life the 747 has more beds and privacy than the 890J Maverick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightmist Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Every ship has weapons, doesn't mean they're gonna be effective in combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzby x Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Brightmist said: That's Johnny Depp's yacht man, not buzby x's. lol dude so true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroJak Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Honestly I'm so tired of hearing about this freaken ship already.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 17 hours ago, VoA said: Use common sense please....... You don't think Air-force One carries the most valuable person alive (thus the most powerful person - and "thing" - unless you think something like the Hadron Collider is more valuable - which can't be monetized) .......... (forget politics please)......... and remember....... people can be held for ransom if kidnapped...... etc... ........ so I hate to break the news to you but the 890 Jump has the highest probability (also based on older RTVs with Ben Lensick - CIG) - to be the most profitable ship in game.... I use common sense and come to the conclusion that Air-force One carries one of the most dangerous persons alive to fall into kidnappers hands (politics aside). Nonetheless, there are only a handful of these super-rich, super-"important" people around, which means that the market is very small and atm it looks like the supply and demand ratio does not really speak for the 890j. Let's say there are VIPs with 3 different levels of luxury-demand and that you can fulfil them with a Phoenix, a 600i and an 890j. You can't transport someone demanding a 600i with a Phoenix. You can transport someone demanding a Phoenix with an 890j, but you'd have to accept making less profit. Conclusion is (for me), that the 600i has the sweet spot here, being able to transport 2 "classes" of passengers with a little profit and just loosing out on the rarest kind of transports. Maybe it's time to accept that there are people out there that have different opinions which does NOT mean that they are wrong. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzby x Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Maverick said: I use common sense and come to the conclusion that Air-force One carries one of the most dangerous persons alive to fall into kidnappers hands (politics aside). Nonetheless, there are only a handful of these super-rich, super-"important" people around, which means that the market is very small and atm it looks like the supply and demand ratio does not really speak for the 890j. Let's say there are VIPs with 3 different levels of luxury-demand and that you can fulfil them with a Phoenix, a 600i and an 890j. You can't transport someone demanding a 600i with a Phoenix. You can transport someone demanding a Phoenix with an 890j, but you'd have to accept making less profit. Conclusion is (for me), that the 600i has the sweet spot here, being able to transport 2 "classes" of passengers with a little profit and just loosing out on the rarest kind of transports. Maybe it's time to accept that there are people out there that have different opinions which does NOT mean that they are wrong. 😉 remember though, the customers are NPCs, so CR can program them to do anything necessary to make the game function... ...even program them to think everyone who owns a luxury ship is as cool as Johnny Depp... Maverick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Khan Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Eah... cool as Johnny Depp? What planet did you get hit in the head with? If they were programs they would only do everybody like 1950 PC people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzby x Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Devil Khan said: Eah... cool as Johnny Depp? What planet did you get hit in the head with? If they were programs they would only do everybody like 1950 PC people. referring to Brightmist's comment that the NPCs won't find my yacht as attractive as Johnny Depp's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Khan Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Johnny Depos yacht looks tacky and cheap. Tbh, Pirates of the Caribain sucks as a yacht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzby x Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 56 minutes ago, Devil Khan said: Johnny Depos yacht looks tacky and cheap. Tbh, Pirates of the Caribain sucks as a yacht. I agree...it looks like somebody ripped him off because he's stupid. Although, ALL yachts look tacky to me, and the people on them look totally GTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trophias Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 890 Jump Cargo GRIZZ and buzby x 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRIZZ Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I love that triangle window, very classy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzby x Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 so what ships will fit in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoA Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Update in this video buzby x 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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