Reavern Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 CIG released new WIP pics of the Avenger today. CIG explained that the un-textured model pics released during the Livestream broke their tradition of not releasing such early WIP pics. Anyone who was disappointed by the plain look of the Avenger should appreciate these new pics. It's amazing the difference that a professional artist's paint-over can make. The Avenger looks 10 times better than it did before, and arguably rivals the Origin 300 series in sleekness and aesthetics. More importantly, the ventral view of the Avenger finally confirms that the ship does have a docking ring, which means that it could be equipped with a docking collar to perform ship boarding actions. This means that the Avenger is a suitable ship for a lone wolf Bounty Hunter. I just might buy an Avenger after all. Fordo, Zion Orion, GeraldEvans and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellso Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Amazing! It just looks so much better now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolLeks Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 def looks better now, but I still have no interest in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alerio Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 My god it looks absolutely gorgeous, although it looks a bit snubby on the lenght... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMoN Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Looks pretty damn slick. But that's not meant as a long range fighter though, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reavern Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 My god it looks absolutely gorgeous, although it looks a bit snubby on the lenght... I think the Avenger is deceptively large. I also question the size and scale accuracy of the earlier pics. Either the Avenger has very little headroom, necessitating the pilot to hunch over to reach the cockpit, or the scale is off -- which is entirely possible. Also, the size and scale don't appear consistent between the two pics. In the first pic, the pilot doesn't appear to be able to stand upright under the wing; whereas he appears to have enough headroom under the wing in the second, suggesting they're different sizes and scales. If the first pic is accurate, the Avenger would appear to be only 13 metres long. I'd agree that is very short -- probably the shortest ship known, except for the P52 snubfighter. However, the Avenger's aft door indicates that the interior runs the full length of the ship, whereas the 300i's interior space ends halfway. That suggests they're comparable in interior space. The Avenger can also carry 2 tons more cargo than the 300i, and is more than 12 tons heavier, again, implying its larger and more spacious than it seems. Knowing CIG's unreliability regarding size and scale, especially in regards to WIP and concept art, I'd estimate the Avenger is longer than 13 metres. I'd estimate it's closer to 20 metres. If the first pic were re-sized to 20 metres, the pilot would have plenty of headroom. 20 metres would also be more logical for the Avenger's 32 ton weight. Fordo and JimWilko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatinHat Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Looks as sexy as a F8 Crusader JimWilko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethernaut Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 It does look 10X better than it did, but I don't think i'll be buying one. That top side view makes it seem a rather large target compared to the 325a. What will be interesting is how fast the T5 engine will be able to propel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reavern Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 It does look 10X better than it did, but I don't think i'll be buying one. That top side view makes it seem a rather large target compared to the 325a. What will be interesting is how fast the T5 engine will be able to propel it. IF the side-view scale pic is accurate, the Avenger is actually very small: 13 metres long. That would make it a much smaller target than the 24 metre long 300i/325a. Also, the description of the Avenger indicates that it's a very rugged ship -- I imagine a common trait of Aegis ships -- so it can probably take more of a beating than the style and luxury-oriented Origin ships. I'm also interested in the Avenger's flight performance, because it's more than 50% heavier than the 300 series, but it has a TR5 main thruster, versus the 325a's TR3. BTW, doesn't the Avenger look like it has TWIN main thrusters? There's an obvious line dividing the enormous thruster nozzle in half, suggesting there are two thrusters. Also, the dual intakes and whole shape of the dorsal engine section give them impression of two main thrusters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsher10 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 i saw these pics earlier this morning on the RSI site and this has definitely turned me towards the avenger over the 300 series, i hope there will be a military variant later on and if there is I'm definitely buying it. The only downside is that it has 4 upgrade slots versus the 300i's 6. Also, i know this is off topic but when buying new engines and thrusters, do they apply to upgrade slots? Can you just buy new ones without having to worry about using up upgrade slots? and I looked at the RSI site for info but it didn't specify, i assumed that by the fact that it wasn't listed as an example on the upgrade section, that they didn't apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethernaut Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 IF the side-view scale pic is accurate, the Avenger is actually very small: 13 metres long. That would make it a much smaller target than the 24 metre long 300i/325a. Also, the description of the Avenger indicates that it's a very rugged ship -- I imagine a common trait of Aegis ships -- so it can probably take more of a beating than the style and luxury-oriented Origin ships. I'm also interested in the Avenger's flight performance, because it's more than 50% heavier than the 300 series, but it has a TR5 main thruster, versus the 325a's TR3. BTW, doesn't the Avenger look like it has TWIN main thrusters? There's an obvious line dividing the enormous thruster nozzle in half, suggesting there are two thrusters. Also, the dual intakes and whole shape of the dorsal engine section give them impression of two main thrusters. True, I don't think you can take the pictures to be anyway near accurate. The (Yellow) Picture of the 300i in the Jumpoint issue 7 i think would put the length at 59 meters given the height of the man is 1.85m which is an average. Which is absurd and is why these can't be to scale. Also The Avenger has a larger cargo capacity and weighs more. Possibly made from more durable materials, granted, but only time will tell. Yes it does look like twin thrusters or could it be that the TR5 engine is made flatter and with a central vectoring nozzle that allows it to maneuver and yaw better, thus keeping it's broad topside out of the firing line. The two intakes could be needed on a TR5 engine if it is indeed a small ship. If and I say if with a large dose of skepticism that the Avenger is a more agile fighter than it appears, given only 8 TR1 maneuvering thrusters, then it could perform decently in combat. But that remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Vanya Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Already got a 325a, but if I feel I need to find a new and exciting way to give more of my money to CIG, I'll probably be buying an avenger as a back up ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DePlacido Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I'll be using my Avenger quite abit I think I love the style of it, I have a few ships but i'll be kitting them out for different situations depending on the need Connie then Avenger then anything else xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukiose Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I... might refund my 325a for one of this! Or get both, ARGHH i don't know >.<The Avenger seems to have less maneuverability due to 8xTR1 thrusters instead of 12 on the 300 series, but it does have a TR5 thruster making it faster than a 300.Gotta wait and see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DePlacido Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I think the ship itself isn't ment to be as manoeuvrable according the the info it's a more sturdy machine so where it lacks manoeuvrability it makes up for in toughness I guess, plus the design is slick as hell <3 Lukiose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukiose Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 It's design reminds me of a Concorde, maybe that's how it will function! Sturdy, High Speed & Sexy as hell, with 2 Class-3 Missile Slots & 2 Frontal Class-1 Lasers(?) + a Gatling Gun. Maybe it's made for high speed hit&run takedowns? And look at that 10 ton cargo hold Looks like a great early 1-man trader ship DePlacido 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellso Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I might get this ship for combat.From what they have said its the most armoured single seater, it seems to pack a hell of a punch and has a TR5 Thruster.Seems like great ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamouse Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I'm also interested in the Avenger's flight performance, because it's more than 50% heavier than the 300 series, but it has a TR5 main thruster, versus the 325a's TR3. Doesn't the Ship Specs page on the official website specify that the 300 series all have TR4 engines and not TR3's. the only ship currently with a TR 3 engine is the Aurora. the ship looks nice but with the 325a having a TR4 and 12 thrusters, and also 6 upgrade slots instead of 4. and both have 5 hardpoints vut the 325a has a 2 class 1, 1 class 2, and 2 class 3 hardpoints compared to the avenger's 3 class 1, no class 2, and 2 class 3's. i feel like the 325a would still be my overall choice compared to the avenger. that extra 2t cargo is not as important to me as i compare them more as fighters then trader ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Vanya Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Compared to 325a, the Avenger seems more of an interceptor opposed to a superiority fighter. Get in quick, shoot missiles, get out as shit explodes in the background, put on sunglasses, go play volleyball. Hell just look at the specs, its a similar size to 325a but weighs 12 tons more. If I had to wager a guess, I'd say that most of that extra weight is either armor plating or the bigger engine or both. Exocet and Sparkie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reavern Posted August 29, 2013 Author Share Posted August 29, 2013 Doesn't the Ship Specs page on the official website specify that the 300 series all have TR4 engines and not TR3's. the only ship currently with a TR 3 engine is the Aurora. the ship looks nice but with the 325a having a TR4 and 12 thrusters, and also 6 upgrade slots instead of 4. and both have 5 hardpoints vut the 325a has a 2 class 1, 1 class 2, and 2 class 3 hardpoints compared to the avenger's 3 class 1, no class 2, and 2 class 3's. i feel like the 325a would still be my overall choice compared to the avenger. that extra 2t cargo is not as important to me as i compare them more as fighters then trader ships. The Origin 300's Max Engine is a TR4, but only the 315p Exploration ship comes equipped with a TR4. The 300i Touring and 325a Interdictor come with TR3s, and the 350r Racer has twin TR3s. The Hornet's Max Engine is also a TR4, but the F7C Civilian model comes with a TR3. It seems that the base models of every ship come with a lower rated engine than their max. It makes sense, otherwise there'd be no reason to upgrade. So the base model Avenger will probably have a TR4 engine; if you want the TR5, you'll have to upgrade. Sparkie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DePlacido Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 They describe it somewhere as sort of a marksman ship due to it's front gun I can't remember where I read it but it was on an official forum, I think it'll be on the interceptor side of things though as people have said get in quick blast the shit out of everyone then the rest should be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqz5dbs5zmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deardevil Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 i like it so much so i took one...its a very good ship to start and i think that maybe be a good stelth ship... DePlacido 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DePlacido Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 i like it so much so i took one...its a very good ship to start and i think that maybe be a good stelth ship... Hadn't thought about it on the stealth side but I think you might be onto something there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellso Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Hadn't thought about it on the stealth side but I think you might be onto something therea TR5 Thruster is pretty big compared to tr3/4 right?So making that a stealth ship seems hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DePlacido Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 a TR5 Thruster is pretty big compared to tr3/4 right?So making that a stealth ship seems hard I meant more with the style that if it would actually work but shoulda made that clearer xD the TR5 would make it harder to make it stealth but couldn't you do a downgrade instead for a lesser signature? or maybe they'll have higher engines that are specially designed to have a low signature but will cost a hell of a lot of creds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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