Bengal Carrier

[Yekko]

Hype! Hype! Hype!

Those shots are amazing and hyping to much! I really can't wait to see Imperium getting their hands on one! This is going to be something to fight for!

This thing is simply massive! And yet not even the biggest. This is madness! 

[Fizzlefuse]

Still loving the Bengal carrier... such an awesome looking ship.
it's been a while since we've heard anything about it.
 

[Wu Jen]

Still think its going to be crazy to have 700+ people on one.

[Arcanus]

32 minutes ago, Wu Jen said:

Still think its going to be crazy to have 700+ people on one.

LOL... the bridge (deck) alone will have to be it's very own (meshed) instance!

[IggyTheDog]

I know this sounds ridiculous, but is it possible to buy a Bengal? 

If not, do the ones that can be captured belong to the UEE or are they just drifting/ Abandoned? 

[Trophias]

Yep, it is!
 

In all seriousness...

From what they have explained, there will be ones that you find and have to "repair" in order for them to be ready for combat 

[Fizzlefuse]

30 minutes ago, Trophias said:

Yep, it is!

From what they have explained, there will be ones that you find and have to "repair" in order for them to be ready for combat 

No doubt that will be a massive Org-wide undertaking... which is AWESOME.

Just imagine.. miners and salvagers gathering resources, cargoships delivering said resources to a make-shift space-dock with Crucibles and whatnot. Worker crews going back and forth.. Security patrolling the sector just in case some other Org decides to take what's ours.

Oh man...

[faquarl25]

3 hours ago, Fizzlefuse said:

No doubt that will be a massive Org-wide undertaking... which is AWESOME.

Just imagine.. miners and salvagers gathering resources, cargoships delivering said resources to a make-shift space-dock with Crucibles and whatnot. Worker crews going back and forth.. Security patrolling the sector just in case some other Org decides to take what's ours.

Oh man...

It will probably be in the Grinder as if one was anywhere the UEE could get it, they would have at least scrapped it. So my idea is, while everyone else is killing themselves in operation pitchfork, Imperium just finds the bengal and sets up the logistics beforehand to get it capable of jumping out. Then Imperium should take it to Sol or MacAurthur and will have all the time in the game to rebuild it as these systems will be so heavily defended with UEE forces that pirates would be deterred from attacking.

Maybe one will be hidden will be in Squadron 42 (2) Behind Enemy Lines. Like a hulk that either was destroyed before the humans left the systems or one that was part of Admiral Bishops fleet that he left as it was to damaged. I think thats what they will probably do. Have the carriers so deep in Vandal space that it is next to impossible to get to them. This would also mean that a large fleet would not be good. To avoid an attack from the vandal, the best way would probably be to send two hardcore gamers in a cutlass with both repair and salvage equipment and let them get the ship jump capable and then run for their lives with the fleet coming in only once the bengal is moving and the rest of the fleet can be sacrificed to slow down the Vandal to get the prize out. 

[Karmaslap]

15 hours ago, faquarl25 said:

Imperium just finds the bengal and sets up the logistics beforehand to get it capable of jumping out. 

I highly, highly doubt it will be that easy. If it is found, I'm all in favor of us jumping on it and getting it out. Nobody could really argue with us taking it either even if other orgs did know. 

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 the best way would probably be to send two hardcore gamers in a cutlass with both repair and salvage equipment

Why would that possibly be a good idea? Sending two guys with equipment in a ship that could easily hold ten? And sending them in a ship that doesn't hide its sig much?

We'd need to send players in Hornet Ghosts to to check out the ship and determine how much work it needs just to get moving. Then we scout the system, seeing if there are any nearby isolated asteroid belts or gas giants which the vanduul don't frequent. It would probably take a crucible to fix the bengal enough to get it flight worthy, and a ship with large internal bay to transport any larger components if we needed them. The Bengal might need fuel, and the crucible might need a refill of the metal stuff it uses to repair things. Depending entirely on AI we either take that with us or jump a starfarer/orion into the system and set up lowkey operations to supply the stuff. 

Pretty much do everything as sneakily as possible but really it depends on how the Vanduul AI detects and responds to ships jumping into the system. You'd want enough people to get the job done fast, but only the people who need to know. 

 

If two guys alone could fix it and get it jump ready then send them in something with more stealth, and still... Send 20 guys to get it done faster. 

 

[faquarl25]

3 minutes ago, Karmaslap said:

I highly, highly doubt it will be that easy. If it is found, I'm all in favor of us jumping on it and getting it out. Nobody could really argue with us taking it either even if other orgs did know. 

Why would that possibly be a good idea? Sending two guys with equipment in a ship that could easily hold ten? And sending them in a ship that doesn't hide its sig much?

We'd need to send players in Hornet Ghosts to to check out the ship and determine how much work it needs just to get moving. Then we scout the system, seeing if there are any nearby isolated asteroid belts or gas giants which the vanduul don't frequent. It would probably take a crucible to fix the bengal enough to get it flight worthy, and a ship with large internal bay to transport any larger components if we needed them. The Bengal might need fuel, and the crucible might need a refill of the metal stuff it uses to repair things. Depending entirely on AI we either take that with us or jump a starfarer/orion into the system and set up lowkey operations to supply the stuff. 

Pretty much do everything as sneakily as possible but really it depends on how the Vanduul AI detects and responds to ships jumping into the system. You'd want enough people to get the job done fast, but only the people who need to know. 

 

If two guys alone could fix it and get it jump ready then send them in something with more stealth, and still... Send 20 guys to get it done faster. 

 

Ok, 2 was an understatement. however, I don't think committing the entire fleet would be a good idea in a Vandal system as, if it was destroyed, it would be several weeks before Imperium could get its fleet back to strength, rendering it weak without doing damage to other orgs.

Also, I thought the cutlass had stealthy engines. Did I read that wrong?

[Karmaslap]

1 minute ago, faquarl25 said:

Ok, 2 was an understatement. however, I don't think committing the entire fleet would be a good idea in a Vandal system as, if it was destroyed, it would be several weeks before Imperium could get its fleet back to strength, rendering it weak without doing damage to other orgs.

Also, I thought the cutlass had stealthy engines. Did I read that wrong?

Compared to a real stealth ship I don't think there's much stealthy about the cutlass. It might be fine to use, we will have to both see what CIG comes up with for AI detection of incursion and test it later.

sending 20-30 guys with some ships wouldn't hurt Imperium at all.

Sending a kitted out Javelin, two or so Idris, a few of the corvettes and 30-40 fighters.... Wouldn't hurt Imperium at all if we lost them.

We're the third largest org and most members here are a lot more serious than the other large orgs. I don't know how many capitals we have and don't want to be told but we could lose a huge fleet and I'm sure we'd have another one lined up to go in a few days tops if not on hand already. So losing a few ships on an operation like this isn't a big deal, we would of course rather not lose them. 

Not to mention if this happened during Pitchfork and Imperium lost half of our fleet doing it, even if we didn't end up with a bengal we would still be better off than most other orgs.

[Fizzlefuse]

Ben has said there's a plan to seed the universe with some Bengal carriers. Of course this could change but lets for the fun of it say its true.
I HIGHLY doubt the ship will be in any shape or form capable of being repairable and flyable within a reasonable timeframe if we just send a small repair crew, as in 2 hardcore gamers in a cuttlass.

A Bengal carrier is enormous and used to be the biggest UEE Navy ship (now dwarfed by the Retribution super dreadnought). To take one down would require a massive attack with multiple ships.. and it would take excessive damage to render unoperable to the point where the UEE would abandon one. So it's not going to be one repaircrew of 2 hardcore games. Could they do it? theoretically, if they have a few years of free time and no other org ever finds the ship.

Just taking this ship anywhere is probably not going to be possible without heavy repairs before hand. We're talking about a massive ship here, we might even not be able to tow it. Even if you manage to sort of tow it with.. what, a javelin? a couple of reclaimers? I doubt it will be anywhere close to a base or station, which means a massive undertaking in just logistics of getting people and supplies over there.

I wouldn't even want to try towing anything through interspace, that's a disaster waiting to happen.

[faquarl25]

8 minutes ago, Fizzlefuse said:

Ben has said there's a plan to seed the universe with some Bengal carriers. Of course this could change but lets for the fun of it say its true.
I HIGHLY doubt the ship will be in any shape or form capable of being repairable and flyable within a reasonable timeframe if we just send a small repair crew.

Heck, just taking this ship anywhere is probably not going to be possible without heavy repairs before hand. We're talking about a massive ship here, we might even not be able to tow it. Even if you manage to sort of tow it with.. what, a javelin? a couple of reclaimers? I doubt it will be anywhere close to a base or station, which means a massive undertaking in just logistics of getting people and supplies over there.

I wouldn't even want to try towing anything through interspace, that's a disaster waiting to happen.

Ok. I think the most viable plan would be to do it during Pitchfork while everyone else is suiciding against the Vanduul. That is, unless CIG gives us a special surprise during that op. 

  

[Fizzlefuse]

1 minute ago, faquarl25 said:

Ok. I think the most viable plan would be to do it during Pitchfork while everyone else is suiciding against the Vanduul. That is, unless CIG gives us a special surprise during that op. 

  

It would be best to do so when the rest of the community is occupied. The first problem would probably be finding one though...

[faquarl25]

2 minutes ago, Fizzlefuse said:

It would be best to do so when the rest of the community is occupied. The first problem would probably be finding one though...

If there is one anywhere, I am putting my money on that it is in the grinder. Que all of the people with exploration ships to find it while in a combat zone. Then imperium just needs to disseminate the information through its ranks and pull everyone off of the front lines. The only issue would be the PR mess with all of the other orgs and the corresponding difficulty in securing alliances. The Bengal should make up for that at least. Lets just hope everyone else can hold out long enough for us to get it operational.

[Fizzlefuse]

Looking for a derelict Bengal would make sense further into Vanduul territories, as they are our primary (and currently only) enemy, although there might be possibilities of finding one somewhere else. We've had tenous relations with the Xi'an, there's a chance of ships getting lost during covert ops during the Messer era. There have even been instances where ships got caught in anomalies or gravity wells. Who knows, the Neso triangle has swallowed many a ship whole, there might be one in there. 

[FoxChard]

People keep saying "stealth" but I don't think that word means what you think it means.  Better terms are "low observable" or "low signature".  Nothing is immune from detection in this game.  Lots of activity, however, like you all point out will be noticed by NPCs if the hulk is in non-human space, if it were in player space, however, we'd stand a much better chance.  Chances are far less that a group of players would notice the highly unusual activity just because they won't have the AI hive mind abilities of the computer.

I'm pretty sure CIG has also said that you will need numerous salvage ships to do the job of getting your bengal.  It'd probably be a major large organization goal requiring a vast quantity of resources to complete.

[Karmaslap]

Stealth is a recognized term for it, though. Every stealth ship is observable. If a player is smart, though, then he shouldn't be getting detected in a ship like the ghost which ismdedicated to not being found. 

I Think faquarl is just wanting to get it moving, not repaired. Just do enough work to take it to player space and hide it somewhere as safe as we can so it's easier to fix it up.

And @faquarl25no PR mess, Imperium isn't doing Pitchfork officially to begin with ( *cough* huge mistake *cough*)

 

[faquarl25]

 

39 minutes ago, Karmaslap said:

Stealth is a recognized term for it, though. Every stealth ship is observable. If a player is smart, though, then he shouldn't be getting detected in a ship like the ghost which ismdedicated to not being found. 

I Think faquarl is just wanting to get it moving, not repaired. Just do enough work to take it to player space and hide it somewhere as safe as we can so it's easier to fix it up.

And @faquarl25no PR mess, Imperium isn't doing Pitchfork officially to begin with ( *cough* huge mistake *cough*)

 

But it might be if we pull members who are participating to profit by other people's losses.

[Reavern]

6 hours ago, faquarl25 said:

Ok, 2 was an understatement. however, I don't think committing the entire fleet would be a good idea in a Vandal system as, if it was destroyed, it would be several weeks before Imperium could get its fleet back to strength, rendering it weak without doing damage to other orgs.

Also, I thought the cutlass had stealthy engines. Did I read that wrong?

Your theorycrafting of a derelict Bengal Carrier recovery effort is quaint. Suffice to say, it will take a lot more than two Cutlasses to pull it off.

I could elaborate, but any serious conversation about recovering a Bengal Carrier would be done in the Imperium-only section of the forum.

[Juntau]

5 hours ago, Karmaslap said:

And @faquarl25no PR mess, Imperium isn't doing Pitchfork officially to begin with ( *cough* huge mistake *cough*)

I am seriously confused as to how this applies to the Bengal Carrier discussion? 

[Karmaslap]

1 hour ago, Reavern said:

Your theorycrafting of a derelict Bengal Carrier recovery effort is quaint. Suffice to say, it will take a lot more than two Cutlasses to pull it off.

I could elaborate, but any serious conversation about recovering a Bengal Carrier would be done in the Imperium-only section of the forum.

I don't see any harm in minor theorizing about a situation, but if we had enough knowledge of the effort it took and wanted a serious discussion abiut what we would actually need to do then yeah. Though pretty much anyone can get into that section. 

@Juntau sorry, regarding the PR mess if Imperium skipped out on Pitchfork in order to recover or search for a Bengal to benefit ourselves. I was saying we already were skipping it. It was to faquarl.

[Fizzlefuse]

2 hours ago, Reavern said:

Your theorycrafting of a derelict Bengal Carrier recovery effort is quaint. Suffice to say, it will take a lot more than two Cutlasses to pull it off.

I could elaborate, but any serious conversation about recovering a Bengal Carrier would be done in the Imperium-only section of the forum.

I must chime in to say that I agree with @Karmaslap that there is no harm in speculation, it's just plain old fashioned fun. We know next to nothing on how things will work, where said bengal carriers will be found, how rare such a find might be.. etc, so just to dream about something as amazing as this is a blast.

If Imperium ever actually manages to find something like that, I'm 100% sure we'll discuss these things in the Imperium-only section.
When we know more I am positive that our officers will come up with a plan and protocol that would work for us as an Org.

For now it's open for discussion and speculation:D
Come one, come all!

 

[Reavern]

2 hours ago, Fizzlefuse said:

I must chime in to say that I agree with @Karmaslap that there is no harm in speculation, it's just plain old fashioned fun. We know next to nothing on how things will work, where said bengal carriers will be found, how rare such a find might be.. etc, so just to dream about something as amazing as this is a blast.

If Imperium ever actually manages to find something like that, I'm 100% sure we'll discuss these things in the Imperium-only section.
When we know more I am positive that our officers will come up with a plan and protocol that would work for us as an Org.

For now it's open for discussion and speculation:D
Come one, come all!

I don't oppose theorycrafting -- I'm all for it! I contributed lengthy TC posts on this subject in threads like "Derelict Bengals", "Bengal Carrier (Salvage)", and my original Eclipse Squadron thread... in the Imperium section.

I had actually written a much larger post rehashing my previous TC about what would be involved in an Imperium recovery op of a derelict Bengal... then I remembered this thread was in the public section, and realized it would be a bad idea to post it here. So I saved it and posted my other comment instead. Because even though I'm not a Combat Ops Officer anymore, I'm not going to thoughtlessly blab about Imperium's possible plans to acquire a Bengal, nor will I irresponsibly give away any of our ideas -- even if they're just TC.

It's not my intention to be a buzzkill or anything; my point was that your discussion about salvaging a Bengal wasn't even in the ball park of what would realistically be required to repair and recover a derelict Bengal. As I said, this topic has been TC-ed extensively in the Imperium section; I highly recommend you delve into the pages and read up on this subject.

[Karmaslap]

5 hours ago, Reavern said:

As I said, this topic has been TC-ed extensively in the Imperium section; I highly recommend you delve into the pages and read up on this subject.

One of the saddest parts to me of joining Imperium when I did is that I was too late to take part in the preliminary theorycrafting of most of theninteresting topics, and it's still much too early to actually start theorycrafting on how to write the book. I can only hope that I can get included in any serious discussions and/or testing which takes place and that it's not just the realm of officers, specialists, and senior members.

Edit: Reavern, regarding the scale of our ideas: we were only discussing the effort to get it jump capable at the barest minimum level, not repaired. Projects of wildly different scales.

in regards to the Bengal, it was supposed to have been partially created as an in-game asset long ago, but they upped it in size and had to have thrown away all the work they did- just like how it seems everything before 2013 has been tossed out or completely redone. The Bengal is featured in both the opening scenes of SQ42 and the actual missions- I do not think it is flyable, as the Idris appears to be their test ship for this, but it would surprise me very, very much if it wasn't essentially a late greybox/almost hangar ready stage at the minimum. A dev stated that all assets for SQ42 would be completed by June/July and so I'm thinking the Bengal has to be nearly done art-wise and the tests they're doing with the Idris will directly carry over to the Bengal.

I also doubt we'll see the insides of the Retribution, just the bridge- like we know is true for the Vanduul capitals.