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13 hours ago, Karmaslap said:

in regards to the Bengal, it was supposed to have been partially created as an in-game asset long ago, but they upped it in size and had to have thrown away all the work they did- just like how it seems everything before 2013 has been tossed out or completely redone. The Bengal is featured in both the opening scenes of SQ42 and the actual missions- I do not think it is flyable, as the Idris appears to be their test ship for this, but it would surprise me very, very much if it wasn't essentially a late greybox/almost hangar ready stage at the minimum. A dev stated that all assets for SQ42 would be completed by June/July and so I'm thinking the Bengal has to be nearly done art-wise and the tests they're doing with the Idris will directly carry over to the Bengal.

I also doubt we'll see the insides of the Retribution, just the bridge- like we know is true for the Vanduul capitals.

A lot of ships tend to increase in size when CIG reworks them, the Bengal likely being no exception. Maybe we'll see some shots but I'm thinking, after the Idris became the SQ42 "mothership" in stead of the UEES Paul Steed, the Bengal likely took a backseat in terms of (detailed) development.

We know the Idris is flyable now, internally at CIG, Chris Roberts has already said they managed to fly around in it and have ships land in it etc. I can't freekin' wait!
Still waiting for a better version of the Moroes tour tho:\

As for the Retribution, I think you're right. I doubt very much they've done any real internal work other then perhaps the bridge so we can see Admiral Bishop being a badass and sticking it to the Vanduul :D

18 hours ago, Reavern said:

It's not my intention to be a buzzkill or anything; my point was that your discussion about salvaging a Bengal wasn't even in the ball park of what would realistically be required to repair and recover a derelict Bengal. As I said, this topic has been TC-ed extensively in the Imperium section; I highly recommend you delve into the pages and read up on this subject.


Oh I'm not underestimating what it would take to recover a Bangal... I reckon, realistically, the undertaking would be massive, requiring many many hours of blood, sweat and tears (oh so many tears), a enormous logistical undertaking and so many ships it would blot out the sun. Around the clock work of repaircrew shifts, delivery of goods, security.. etc.. and would probably not be something a small org would be capable of doing.

If any org is capable of doing this I believe its Imperium though. A endeavor like this would be a challenge but one hell of an achievement. I'm talking star citizen historybooks kind of achievement. 

I'll try to read up on Imperium's actual plans when I find the corresponding topic(s) :D

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8 minutes ago, Fizzlefuse said:

A lot of ships tend to increase in size when CIG reworks them, the Bengal likely being no exception.

The Bengal does not seem to have grown in size (unless our initial numbers were off) the most recent information that we have is that the Bengal is 990 meters long.

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Just now, Arcanus said:

The Bengal does not seem to have grown in size (unless our initial numbers were off) the most recent information that we have is that the Bengal is 990 meters long.

Allright. Well that's still pretty damn big. I still want one! :D

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@Fizzlefuse

I think we'll be seeing a lot more than just some shots of the Bengal. I don't think they'll stick us on the (Stanton? Sq42 ship name? I am derping) Idris rhe whole time. 

I think they should have kept work on the Bengal and instead just added a larger carrier- instead of redoing it, boosting it in size and adding in the Pegasus. 

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8 hours ago, Karmaslap said:

One of the saddest parts to me of joining Imperium when I did is that I was too late to take part in the preliminary theorycrafting of most of theninteresting topics, and it's still much too early to actually start theorycrafting on how to write the book. I can only hope that I can get included in any serious discussions and/or testing which takes place and that it's not just the realm of officers, specialists, and senior members.

Edit: Reavern, regarding the scale of our ideas: we were only discussing the effort to get it jump capable at the barest minimum level, not repaired. Projects of wildly different scales.

in regards to the Bengal, it was supposed to have been partially created as an in-game asset long ago, but they upped it in size and had to have thrown away all the work they did- just like how it seems everything before 2013 has been tossed out or completely redone. The Bengal is featured in both the opening scenes of SQ42 and the actual missions- I do not think it is flyable, as the Idris appears to be their test ship for this, but it would surprise me very, very much if it wasn't essentially a late greybox/almost hangar ready stage at the minimum. A dev stated that all assets for SQ42 would be completed by June/July and so I'm thinking the Bengal has to be nearly done art-wise and the tests they're doing with the Idris will directly carry over to the Bengal.

I also doubt we'll see the insides of the Retribution, just the bridge- like we know is true for the Vanduul capitals.

It's true that a lot of theorycrafting has been done already. That seems to have diminished of late. I think it's because we were all super enthusiastic when SC was first announced, but three years later, we're just waiting and waiting and waiting. Also, the popular TC topics, like salvaging and recovering a Bengal Carrier, were thoroughly discussed to the point that we couldn't go any further, because we lacked concrete information about the PU, the ship repair/salvage mechanics, instance caps, jump point travel and jump point ship size restrictions, etc. And not much has changed in that respect. We're still in the intermediate phase wherein we can TC, but we can't make policy yet, because it's all speculative. When the day comes that we can actually salvage, repair, and capture derelict ships that we find adrift in the PU, I think that's when Imperium will revisit the topic of recovering/capturing a Bengal Carrier, and form plans to accomplish that goal. Imperium's leadership has accepted input and ideas from members in the past, so I believe we'll all be involved in the conversation.

Regarding the scale of recovering a Bengal, as I said before, it will be a massive undertaking. Even getting a Bengal's jump engine operational probably won't be within the capabilities of a couple of Cutlasses. You have to assume that if a super-capital ship like a Bengal Carrier became a derelict, it suffered damage so extensive that no one has been able to repair the ship and recover it. So to repair its jump engine, I imagine it's not going to be as simple as splicing together a few wires and replacing a few small parts -- something that a Cutlass crew could do. I expect it'll more like you'll have to completely replacement the Bengal's jump engine, which means finding one and buying it (or stealing it), transporting it to the derelict Bengal, removing the damaged jump engine, and installing the new one. I presume the Bengal's jump engine will be extremely large and won't fit inside a Cutlass -- it's more likely to be the size of a Cutlass, or larger. I expect a Starfarer or Hull C/D/E will have to carry it externally. And a Crucible and/or multiple Argos utility ships will be required to remove the damaged jump engine from the derelict Bengal and install the new one.

However, I highly doubt that only getting the Bengal's jump engine operational will be sufficient. The jump engine won't work unless the Bengal has power, which presumably means getting its power plant(s) operational; that might have to be replaced too. The odds that the derelict Bengal will be in range of a jump point are infinitesimal, so it'll either have to be towed to a large-ship jump point, or the Bengal's engines will have to be repaired/replaced to get it moving again. The Bengal's sensors will probably have to be repaired, otherwise the ship will be flying blind -- you probably can't initiate a jump unless the sensors are working.

Then there's the issue of whether it's smart to try get the Bengal home if its weapons and shields aren't operational. I think it would be foolish to try, because the odds of getting the Bengal back to UEE space without anyone seeing it (players or NPCs) are virtually impossible. The second anyone else sees the Bengal, it'll blow up the Star Citizen community, and everyone will come after it. Without defensive systems, a single Retaliator could probably disable the Bengal with a couple of torpedoes.

That's my point. You can't speculate about the bare minimum requirements for recovering a derelict Bengal, because even the "bare minimum" would be an epic undertaking, which would only be feasible for the largest Orgs, such as Imperium.

And what I described here doesn't even scratch the surface of the theorycrafting that Imperium members and I have already done about recovering a derelict Bengal Carrier. I've just pointed out some of the challenges. I'm not going to reveal any of the ideas that we've come up with how to deal with those challenges here in the public section.

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28 minutes ago, Reavern said:

Regarding the scale of recovering a Bengal, as I said before, it will be a massive undertaking. Even getting a Bengal's jump engine operational probably won't be within the capabilities of a couple of Cutlasses. You have to assume that if a super-capital ship like a Bengal Carrier became a derelict, it suffered damage so extensive that no one has been able to repair the ship and recover it. So to repair its jump engine, I imagine it's not going to be as simple as splicing together a few wires and replacing a few small parts -- something that a Cutlass crew could do. I expect it'll more like you'll have to completely replacement the Bengal's jump engine, which means finding one and buying it (or stealing it), transporting it to the derelict Bengal, removing the damaged jump engine, and installing the new one. I presume the Bengal's jump engine will be extremely large and won't fit inside a Cutlass -- it's more likely to be the size of a Cutlass, or larger. I expect a Starfarer or Hull C/D/E will have to carry it externally. And a Crucible and/or multiple Argos utility ships will be required to remove the damaged jump engine from the derelict Bengal and install the new one.

However, I highly doubt that only getting the Bengal's jump engine operational will be sufficient. The jump engine won't work unless the Bengal has power, which presumably means getting its power plant(s) operational; that might have to be replaced too. The odds that the derelict Bengal will be in range of a jump point are infinitesimal, so it'll either have to be towed to a large-ship jump point, or the Bengal's engines will have to be repaired to get it moving again. The Bengal's sensors will probably have to be repaired, otherwise the ship will be flying blind -- you probably can't initiate a jump unless the sensors are working.

Then there's the issue of whether it's smart to try get the Bengal home if its weapons and shields aren't operational. I think it would be foolish to try, because the odds of getting the Bengal back to UEE space without anyone seeing it (players or NPCs) are virtually impossible. The second anyone else sees the Bengal, it'll blow up the Star Citizen community, and everyone will come after it. Without defensive systems, a single Retaliator could probably disable the Bengal with a couple of torpedoes.

 

Ok, that... OR we just bring a massive amount of ducttape. Because ducttape fixes everything.
Seriously tho, I fully agree. I wish we had some concrete information.
Heck, I wish there was more game to play, especially non-combat roles. It will take quite a while before we'll see something like Bengal recovery.

If we continue with speculation regarding the capture of a Bengal, we also don't know how the UEE govenment or Navy will deal with a organization claiming a bengal for their own. We don't know how salave rights will work. The only things we can draw from are current salvage laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_salvage and those might very well have changed in the time of the UEE.

CIG has already stated that speccing/arming a Javelin, a ship that has actually been sold to Citizens, will be a daunting task for any Org.
Trying to do so with a Bengal Carrier, the UEE's most powerfull class of ship (next to the Super-Dreadnought, of which there's only one at the moment), might be near impossible at the beginning. It might very well be one or two will be found earlier on.. but would become a contested pvp area because nobody will be able to initially take it anywhere.

I imagine many components RSI uses in the construction of a Bengal are only on a government contract, meaning that getting your hands on a powerplant, jump engine or even something as basic as a thruster, or whatever else you need, will be very very difficult and would likely require the highest possible rep needed with certain factions (yet another system we know next to nothing about).

The dream is the adventure we would have in actually trying though... the journey to actually find, secure, repair and operate one. Oh man. Goosebumps...

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Hey guys, I saw @Karmaslap's post. I'm not reading the posts after it...

But if the posts contain SPOILER INFORMATION, you MUST use the spoiler tag when talking about any leaks or information regarding the SQ 42 Storyline. This is to preserve the game for those who do not wish to know the story until it comes out.

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53 minutes ago, Karmaslap said:

@Fizzlefuse

If the leaked plot is correct, we'll be seeing a lot more than just some shots of the Bengal. I don't think they'll stick us on the (Stanton? Sq42 ship name? I am derping) Idris rhe whole time. 

I think they should have kept work on the Bengal and instead just added a larger carrier- instead of redoing it, boosting it in size and adding in the Pegasus. 

I don't know of any leaked plot and honestly I don't want to know. Lets save it for when the game comes out, shall we? :D
You're correct in the Stanton being the SQ42 ship though, at least it said so in the morrow tour trailer.

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@Trophias My apologies, I edited my post.

@Fizzlefuseif you want to edit yours as well before others see it?

 

@Reavern I took part in some fun theory crafting soon after I joined the forums here. Most of it was things that had been covered previously and was speculative, of course, but some community members came in and tried shutting down the discussion because it had been done and/or was 'too speculative'. Until this thread I've tried to stay away from those topics since then. Also, regarding some matters it is definitely getting to the point where we can begin to develop policy based on limited testing in the mPU. It wouldn't be complete policy, of course, but a skeleton of ideas confirmed with testing. The proposed war games in the operation pitchfork thread are a good example of this as it involves defending and attacking a station. It would be wise to pay attention to the winning strategies, tricks, and useful techniques thst come up in the event.

Again regarding the Bengal: I had never thought cutlasses would do the job, you're describing the same things I had listed out. A hull series to carry any parts (remember the components they showed us in a jump point a few months ago? The largest ones would definitely not fit through a starfarer door) needed from civilized space, crucible/s to repair. Everything else you listed varies too much from situation to situation: here, we were assuming that the bengal needed to be removed asap due to poor location in vanduul space. Would you mind linking/pm'ing me the thread/s this was discussed in? Searching for "bengal" returns 25 results and none of the, good theorycraft.

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1 minute ago, Fizzlefuse said:

@Karmaslap Edit my post? Did I mention anything that spoils SQ42? I don't know anything other then what CIG has released to the public.

He is referring to the quote you made. As it stands, regardless if CIG has come out openly and said anything to SQ42, you should still Spoil Tag it. Not everyone keeps up with what CIG says nor want to know anything about SQ42.

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13 hours ago, Trophias said:

Welp....

That was amazing.

Agreed. Just seeing that Sabre completely dwarfed next to those MASSIVE engines, not to mention that enormous turret, makes me giddy. The Bengal makes a Idris look like a toy. And tho think the Retribution Super-Dreadnought is even bigger..

o.m.g.

Imperium NEEDS to find a derelict Bengal and fix it up.

I want.. no I NEED to walk around on that ship in the PU, knowing that the ship is controlled and manned by real people.
Just imagine walking across that massive hangar-deck, seeing pilots and deck crew running around. Just the idea of being a crewmember on that ship blows my freekin' mind.

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Looks like since first footage some Bengal details have changed.
We still have double decks with lower one having significantly larger landing strip ending with enormous doors.

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But now we also have side hangars dedicated for smaller crafts. They visually resemble ejector system on Galactica type battlestars but lack a catapult system and allow landing.  Possible Drone Bays?
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Notice the turret under the 3rd triangle, it's retracting (or clipping/LOD bug) in a followup photo.
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We also saw a glimpse of the main gun. It's huge and I don't think it allows for any form of landing on Bengals belly.
Also I've noticed this things on the side which look like they can open up and reveal some additional AA guns, missile pods and other modules.
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Finally I don't think the stern is finished and I wonder what CIG wants to fit in this massive part of the hull.
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You're absolutely right about the multi-deck hangar @GRIZZ...  In fact, what you missed, is that there's actually an additional hangar door on the belly of the ship too... just above that massive "ship buster" turret. 

I have no idea what the functions of the various decks and hangars are, but if I had to guess it would go like this:

  1. Upper Flight Deck - Ready "Alert" fighters launch only
  2. Main Flight Deck - Regular operations, and ship recovery
  3. Lower flight Deck - Limited auxiliary, or large craft operations & resupply

As for those triangular shapes on the side being launch tubes... that I'm not so certain of. I didn't see anything in the main hangar interior (during the various shots or that beautiful right to left slow pan they did) that indicated the presence of dedicated launch tubes, so they could be something else.  I'm not worried if there aren't any launch tubes though, with the flight decks we saw, and the way the spacecraft were parked... I'm pretty sure that a Bengal could scramble her fighters pretty damn fast if she had to

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