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Devil Khan

Find the derelict in the PU 3.0

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Ok these is a little guessing game until 3.0 P(T)U. Depends out fast they find it. He said their was only one derelict in the baby PU. At first I thought it was just the Javelin, but he then said that you should be able to see it from orbit which makes it bigger. I'm assuming it's the Bengal size?

What's your pick/guess?

Maybe a ship or station?

 

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Yes I would have said Javelin until the "see it from orbit" and then the size had to be much larger. I am thinking what STYoungblood said about not being a ship, but a possible station. I'm thinking could be the Grim hex style, but that is mostly internal except for the landing pads.

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I'm just betting on Jav because it limits the overhype drive, it has been shown to us multiple times in a complete or near complete stage, is gigantic (i know, not as big as some things). 

I won't be doing this, but someone else better at trigonometry can try-We know the lengths of our ships, we have a feeling for the general sizes of the planets. It should be possible given what we know now (with many healthy assumptions) to determine which ships are large enough to be seen from space.

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likely a bengal, we know the ship has been made already. if its not a bengal, it's a javelin. weve already seen a derelict javelin, even if just in the demo...

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Javilin is to small, don't think you can see it from orbit

Bangel interior might not be done and may be to small also to see from orbit

Most likely de-orbited space station is the current thoughts on the matter for the size since you can see a station while your on the planet, ether that or a vanduul ship has been suggested also like the driller.

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4 minutes ago, CC-Corp said:

Javilin is to small, don't think you can see it from orbit

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Javelin is 3x the size of the reclaimer (given that the finished reclaimer size is unknown).  And the reclaimer was pretty visible speck in the zoomout video.  So my question is if this mystery object on a moon or a planet?  Because the moon's re a bit smaller.  If you focus on a crater that's 3x the size of the reclaimer during the zoomout it's visible from space.

 

 

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As I said, i reckon it's a bengal, though a crashed space station hadn't crossed my mind tbh. That would be cool too

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I think Javelin is right.  On a moon with no atmosphere, you can orbit it from as close as you want, so the number of pixels isn't really relevant to anything, and can't be computed to any given size.  But we know that the Javelin has been in the ship pipeline for a long time now, I think months ago they said they only had one more room to do on it.  They've also showed it a lot on the AtVs.  It makes the most sense.

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Nathan, at the very end, would not say the name of this "massive" ship that is 3-4 pixels from space. If it was the Javelin, he would have said the name.

It's not a Javelin. It's too small.

You guys forgot something very important that was shown a ton in the past.

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plus we have been shown that the Javelin (exterior) is on the moon/planet for 3.0. So it's likely it's not the Javelin really.

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Jav is what? 400m? It's a substantial fraction of port olisar. I bet we could see it from space. We're talking about moons with marginal atmospheres, not the earth. Planetary bodies are heavily scaled down as well. We don't know how far you need to go before you enter space yet from any of the moons.

IDK I just find the Jav case most compelling.

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Personal Opinion

 

What it's not:

  • Anything Javelin sized or below. 

Reason: Last year-ish they showed the crashed Javelin, they also showed another crashed javelin on ATV so that's already 2 on the ground. Second, for them to make a deal about it, I personally feel it must be something bigger than something we've seen already.

 

What It could be:

  • Something from SQ42.

Reason: As Trophias posted, since they have already shown the Driller has a derelict phase to it, it wouldn't be hard to imagine that being the ship but opens the question, how many Vanduul or other alien ships are that far along for SQ42 that we just aren't aware of yet? So I'm leaning towards alien ship from SQ42 or possibly a Bangel.

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It's very likely to pick Sq42, as the uk office is doing Sq42 ships primarily and they want to get sq42 done and dusted. It's a pretty good choice having a vanduul ship and only one crashed  in PU 3.0. 

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the vanduul drill would make sense for Nathan to keeping quite about... jav/bengal not so much...

 

I think Trophias hit on the right answer here...  

 

AJ

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2 hours ago, Trophias said:

*Snip*

 

1 hour ago, Switch said:

*Snip*

I doubt it's the Driller or any other Vanduul capital ship. If it is, they'd be spitting in the face of established lore regarding Jump Points simply for an easter egg.

If it isn't, and they are indeed remaining faithful to the lore there are some revelations which would explain this, all of which are major spoilers.

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Not fucking around, these are potentially major spoilers!

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There is a backdoor into the UEE via the Stanton system. The Vanduul have been using this to get access to the system through medium-sized jump points connecting Virgil to Nyx, Nyx to Pyro (and Odin, where Squadron 42 has been been suspected to take place), Pyro to Stanton. This explains why there are Vanduul Scythes and Glaives in asteroid clusters around Crusader ambushing hapless travellers.

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This wouldn't allow for a ship the size of the Driller though since the Driller is ~1700m long, making it bigger than the Bengal which requires large jump points. That means either:

1). The Vanduul have charted large jump points into Nyx, Pyro and Stanton which the UEE are unaware of. This more than likely since the Vanduul have found a way into Odin with capital fleets that didn't involve going through Vega and Bremen, two heavily guarded systems.

2). The Vanduul have developed a way to open up their own jump points between systems. This is technology even the Xi'an don't have, and the Vanduul are >200 years behind the UEE technologically.

3). The Driller would be a remnant of the war, which would have seen the UEE lose as many as 6 systems to the Vanduul and taking them all back. Unlikely, since there are no in-lore mentions of systems falling or being raided by the Vanduul.

 

There are no mentions of a Retribution-class Superdreadnought  going down anywhere in the lore or on the ARK Starmap, so that's out.

This makes me think this is either a Bengal or a Javelin seen from orbit over a small moon.

If it is a Driller, it's wrong!

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@BryGen I'm hoping for a Vanduul Driller, Though the inside most likely won't be complete.

 

Maybe a pegasus though? I can't wait to find some space Derelicts, the planetary derelicts have most likely been looted and won't have any life aboard

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@j_coren why so touchy about lore?
and You didn't really explain why a drill couldnt have snuck into the crusader system and been shot down.
Sorry but seams like a pointless argument at this point in development.

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58 minutes ago, AstroJak said:

@j_coren why so touchy about lore?
and You didn't really explain why a drill couldnt have snuck into the crusader system and been shot down.
Sorry but seams like a pointless argument at this point in development.

CIG has insisted on trying to stick to a lore which they establish. They have a whole video series devoted to it! To not stick to what you establish because you want to show people your new toys is hotshotting. Just ask WCW what happens when you do that.

And yes, I did explain how the Driller could have gotten there. You just need to read the first explanation in the spoilers. Otherwise there are only two ways you can get a capital ship into Stanton from Vanduul Territory.

Virgil>Vega>Bremen>Nyx>Castra>Hadrian>Terra>Stanton

Vanguard>Elysium>Idris>Rhetor>Croshaw>Sol/or/Ferron>Davien>Kilian>Ellis>Magnus>Stanton

Unless the Vanduul ships somehow are able to fit through jump points smaller jump points than their class of ship would suggest, there is no way a Vanduul Capital ship could sneak through either Vega, Bremen, Sol, Terra, or especially Kilian. It is quite possible the Vanduul charted a large jump point into the system, but it would have to be through several systems we never discovered.

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3 hours ago, J. Coren said:

 

I doubt it's the Driller or any other Vanduul capital ship. If it is, they'd be spitting in the face of established lore regarding Jump Points simply for an easter egg.

If it isn't, and they are indeed remaining faithful to the lore there are some revelations which would explain this, all of which are major spoilers.

  Hide contents

Not fucking around, these are potentially major spoilers!

  Hide contents

There is a backdoor into the UEE via the Stanton system. The Vanduul have been using this to get access to the system through medium-sized jump points connecting Virgil to Nyx, Nyx to Pyro (and Odin, where Squadron 42 has been been suspected to take place), Pyro to Stanton. This explains why there are Vanduul Scythes and Glaives in asteroid clusters around Crusader ambushing hapless travellers.

59696127bf212_VanduulBackdoor.thumb.PNG.6538de7653f06b56e26ae7cf4355121e.PNG

This wouldn't allow for a ship the size of the Driller though since the Driller is ~1700m long, making it bigger than the Bengal which requires large jump points. That means either:

1). The Vanduul have charted large jump points into Nyx, Pyro and Stanton which the UEE are unaware of. This more than likely since the Vanduul have found a way into Odin with capital fleets that didn't involve going through Vega and Bremen, two heavily guarded systems.

2). The Vanduul have developed a way to open up their own jump points between systems. This is technology even the Xi'an don't have, and the Vanduul are >200 years behind the UEE technologically.

3). The Driller would be a remnant of the war, which would have seen the UEE lose as many as 6 systems to the Vanduul and taking them all back. Unlikely, since there are no in-lore mentions of systems falling or being raided by the Vanduul.

 

There are no mentions of a Retribution-class Superdreadnought  going down anywhere in the lore or on the ARK Starmap, so that's out.

This makes me think this is either a Bengal or a Javelin seen from orbit over a small moon.

If it is a Driller, it's wrong!

The conference room that the UK guys called in from has the word RETRIBUTION glued to it (just look at the pic in the middle of the screen). Conspiracy? Yes. Cue the X Files theme.

Edit: But yeah. There is only one Retribution confirmed in lore, so it makes no sense for them to build a damage shader for it unless they plan to knock it down.

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Let's relax just a little. No one is right or wrong in this post. Let's not start attacking each other or being rude in the posts. This should be about fun and what -could- be hiding in 3.0 ...or beyond. We know nothing at his post so going off of what Nathan said, and what we know about the ships so far, we are making our conclusions on it.

We are all aware that the game is in development and that it has Lore, but let's be nicer when talking to each other. 

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13 hours ago, FoxChard said:

There is only one Retribution confirmed in lore, so it makes no sense for them to build a damage shader for it unless they plan to knock it down.

They have to at some point, to account for the first group of jackanapes who try to ram their org's Javelin into it.

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14 hours ago, J. Coren said:

CIG has insisted on trying to stick to a lore which they establish.

True... but as in real life once lore has been established, new facts/revelations or new occurrences can change how people view a certain topic. We have known about the back door to sol since 2014 and what's to say this Driller wasn't an initial sortie using it (or another), which went terribly wrong (eg/unstable wormhole that collapsed causing massive damage to driller and escort) which put off the vanduul intended target at their intended time. Listing a arm load of jump points and saying lore lore doesn't prove anything, it's like saying "Because, because!" The point is, you can't just stand in the sand holding your breath refusing to accept that new information can and will alter past beliefs, weather in a game world or the real one. 

Eg) for several hundred years the discovery of North America was attributed to a crazy spaniard with three lonely ships but now due to relatively recent discoveries, on the shores of Nova Scotia, we know that the vikings had been here since the 9th century. They established small villages and traded with the locals.  

As for the discussion at hand; i still think the Driller is the strongest... Jav too small, Superdreadnought not even completed yet in shipyard, Bengal could make sense but a bit of a shoulder shrug of interest if it was...

cheers

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