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Riley Egret

Aegis Eclispe

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Soooo.... another Aegis fighter, apparently ( they haven't announced the name yet).

It's bound to be the best  stealth fighter ever if it matches the sneakiness of how we got to the sale.

More seriously, it's labeled as a superiority fighter ( F8 tier I guess? it was mentioned as one of the secret projects dismissed by the UEE recently after a treaty with the Xi'an) and seems seriously cool.SneakPeek_051217.jpg

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26 minutes ago, Riley Egret said:

Soooo.... another Aegis fighter, apparently ( they haven't announced the name yet).

It's bound to be the best  stealth fighter ever if it matches the sneakiness of how we got to the sale.

More seriously, it's labeled as a superiority fighter ( F8 tier I guess? it was mentioned as one of the secret projects dismissed by the UEE recently after a treaty with the Xi'an) and seems seriously cool.

I think you are right on - with this.

and it looks like it is the next concept ship per Ben in this video ....

+++ This guy picked up on this :wub:

TheBursarWing 

Someone at CIG has been watching Northrop Grumman commercials.

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Bored Gamer thinks it could be an E-war ship instead of a fighter

 

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Space superiority like the Connie. It was the classification of the connie first. albeit the full role was long range space superiority.

Also The F8  is classed as a Heavy Fighter.

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Price revealed per thread

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Zyloh | CIG@Zyloh-CIG
Today at 01:55 pm

Hey everyone,

 

Per our pricing announcement policy: the next ship concept sale, launching May 19th, will be $275 (credit.) This one is TOP SECRET, so we can’t even announce a name yet… but I think you’ll be very happy when you see what the ship team has for you this time around!

 

I would also like to announce an upcoming change to the CCU system. Starting with this sale, the base price for all CCUs will be $5. We’ve been thinking about this change for a while because there are currently 1.1 million unused CCUs in our system. That’s great for funding because it means there are a million potential ships backers can upgrade to at any time. It’s not so good for our designers, who use data on ships owned in their balancing work. As you can imagine, that’s getting more important the closer we get to the in-game economy!

 

We’re going with this route because it still allows you to make changes in your ships but will hopefully limit the amount of previously-$0 ‘cross grade’ CCUs that are being stockpiled for a number of reasons (some as intended, others not!) The additional $5 will be included in the ship’s overall value, so it will be returned should you decide to melt something. This will not impact existing CCUs already purchased and it will not change your ability to melt older ships for credit to switch over to a new concept.

 

That’s it for this week; I can’t wait to see what you think of the Ec…xcellent ship we’ve cooked up.

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$275...

I figured the Aegis Eclipse would be expensive, since it's a military ship. However, after the poor sales of the Banu Defender, I question CIG's logic in pricing the Eclipse so high.

Granted, CIG hasn't released any information about the Eclipse and there's nothing but speculation about its role. Most believe it's an E-warfare and/or quantum travel Interdictor ship. Star Citizen doesn't have an Interdictor yet, and CIG has said there will be ships that can prevent other ships from quantum jumping and pull ships out of quantum travel, i.e. an Interdictor. Therefore, I agree that the Eclipse is most likely an Interdictor. I hope it also has other functions, like E-warfare (similar to the Vanguard Sentinel), or its armed with unique weapons in line with its interdiction ability, such as Distortion cannons and EMP missiles.

For the sake of argument, I'll speculate that the Aegis Eclipse is a Vanguard-sized Interdiction ship with a crew of 2-4, it's stealthy, medium-to-long range, and has an Interdiction field generator. In comparison to the Vanguard line-up and Retaliator heavy bomber, the price of $275 could be justified -- except the Vanguard was heavily criticized for being overpriced and CIG has nerfed it in AC. Regardless if the Eclipse's specs put it on par with the Vanguard Harbinger, I think CIG should've priced it lower. I commented yesterday that I was annoyed by how soon the Eclipse Concept Sale is after the Banu Defender debacle. It really seems like CIG is hurting because the Banu Defender concept sale was their least successful concept ship sale to date, and CIG is hastily putting the Eclipse up for sale -- instead of the Origin 600i, as originally planned -- to generate more funding. It's very concerning that CIG might be desperate for funds. If CIG is motivated by the need for funding, it's a poor decision to price the Eclipse so high, because they should be going for sales volume rather than a high price per unit. If the Eclipse was priced at $200 for store credit and $175 warbond (cash), it would sell like crazy!

CIG has under-priced plenty of ships and raised the prices significantly later, like the Starfarer, Gemini, Caterpillar, and Banu Merchantman. CIG could sell the Eclipse for $200/$175 for the concept sale and raise the price to $250 or $275 when it's flight ready. That would enable them to raise a lot of funds in the short-term and the Eclipse's price-vs-value would be balanced in the long-term.

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$275 puts it in the same bracket as the Retaliator Bomber ($250-$275). I wonder how large this Aegis [TOP SECRET] ship will be and what its purpose is.

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The ship is a multi crew and much bigger than regular fighters (hornets) and Vanguards. The Vanguard is a long range patrol craft and not really a plain dog fighter.

@Booster Terrik CIG takes in 3 mil average a month. They are worried about the last few concepts have been low (not the lowest). This is not the shortest time between concept sales. It is the regular monthly sale. The always been a pause after the new year in the first quarter. Then open again with the "lower"pricing (still 180-185) and after that the 250-350 sale is here. Then towards the end of Q3 start of Q4 a large sale IE Jump 890, Javelin, Prowler or Polaris.  The concepts would be quick around the end of year term and several concepts will be quick succession.    

They have had only 2 Events last year. The rest were just the "guys" just went to the con, althought they carried the vender badge. 

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I think this one seems pretty cool and will be a lot diffrent to play compared to our current fighters 

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Please stay on topic of the Aegis Eclipse, there are plenty of other topics for your thoughts on other issues. 

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15 hours ago, Danakar Endeel said:

$275 puts it in the same bracket as the Retaliator Bomber ($250-$275). I wonder how large this Aegis [TOP SECRET] ship will be and what its purpose is.

I think the reason why the Eclipse is $275 is because the Vanguard was $250. CIG really screwed up when they made the Vanguard $250. It should've been $200 max. And what made matters worse was the Vanguard Harbinger long-range torpedo bomber, which was $280! The Retaliator heavy bomber was originally $250; I think it's price was increased to ~$275. It made no sense why the Harbinger was more expensive than the Retaliator, because it was smaller, carried fewer and smaller torpedoes, and both were long-range bombers. If the Vanguard had been $200, then the Harbinger could've been $230, which would've made a little more sense. But the $250 Vanguard has inflated the price of all military ships since, which is probably why the Aegis Eclipse is $275. CIG can't price it less than the Vanguard because it's (supposedly) a "Space Superiority Fighter", which implies it's superior to the Vanguard, so they can't price it less.

The prices for military ships have really gotten out of hand. I think CIG should do a price adjustment. The entire Vanguard line-up should be reduced by at least $50 and CIG should issue $50 store credits to backers who currently own them. That would be a good start. Then the prices for other ships could be price adjusted and store credits issued. CIG wouldn't be paying out any money because it's store credit, not a refund. Backers could then use that store credit to buy other items on the RSI store. In the end, the reduced prices of existing ships will probably encourage more backers to buy them, which will generate more funding for Star Citizen's development. It's a win-win!

Unfortunately, CIG doesn't think that way. They don't allow backers to downgrade their ships or remove an upgrade after it's been applied, and receive store credits for the difference.

8 hours ago, Devil Khan said:

The ship is a multi crew and much bigger than regular fighters (hornets) and Vanguards. The Vanguard is a long range patrol craft and not really a plain dog fighter.

@Booster Terrik CIG takes in 3 mil average a month. They are worried about the last few concepts have been low (not the lowest). This is not the shortest time between concept sales. It is the regular monthly sale. The always been a pause after the new year in the first quarter. Then open again with the "lower"pricing (still 180-185) and after that the 250-350 sale is here. Then towards the end of Q3 start of Q4 a large sale IE Jump 890, Javelin, Prowler or Polaris.  The concepts would be quick around the end of year term and several concepts will be quick succession.    

They have had only 2 Events last year. The rest were just the "guys" just went to the con, althought they carried the vender badge. 

Based on the Eclipse's silhouette from this pic, it appears to have a Gladius style nose and cockpit.

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If the Eclipse has a single-seat cockpit like the Gladius, based on the proportions of the ship in the pic, the Eclipse's wingspan appears to be ~40 metres, similar to the Vanguard; or ~60 metres, if the wings fold flat. That's definitely a large fighter, but it's not unprecedented. The Vanduul Stinger heavy fighter is around that size. I think the Aegis Eclipse is the UEE's counter to the Vanduul Stinger.

The Aegis Eclipse was designed and developed by Foundry 42, presumably for the Squadron 42 SP game. F42 also made the Sabre and most of the Vanduul ships, again, for SQ42. Based on my experience with previous space combat sim games (Freespace, Wing Commander, XWvTF), the SP campaigns usually follow the formula of: the player starts with a basic starfighter that can defeat the enemy's basic starfighter; after a few missions, the enemy introduces a better fighter; and within a few missions, the player receives a better fighter that can defeat the new enemy fighter. And the cycle repeats for the entire SP campaign. My prediction is that at some point in SQ42, the Vanduul will introduce the Stinger, which will eat Hornets for breakfast, and a few missions later, the player will receive the prototype Aegis Eclipse space superiority fighter to deal with the Stinger.

CIG is making Aegis Eclipse available to buy in a concept sale because they know backers will want to buy it. CIG kinda screwed themselves in the early days when they declared that the F7A Military Hornet and F8 Lightning were military-only ships and would not be pledge ships that backers could purchase for $$$. However, they never made that declaration about the Aegis Eclipse, which is why they're able to sell it as a pledge ship.

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I thought the eclipse might be two to three times wider than the Vanguard, depending on the real width of the cockpit protruding behind the curtain.  If that's true, that would certainly make this a very heavy fighter if not a heavy fighter bomber.  Maybe even with cargo space.  Given that, I'm less worried about this ship infringing on the Vanguard and wonder if it will make the Retaliator less desirable instead?   And I agree that CIG was stretching with the Vanguard in the $250+ price range.  I'm amazed that the Eclipse is priced as low as it is.  But maybe they have finally figured out that the volume sales price point for ships isn't as high as they have been aiming.  I cant help but think they'd have more funding in total if their ship prices were less in general. 

 

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Well hopefully as a superiority spacecraft that it has more tricks up it's sleeve than just "stealth" and "guns".  That being said, if it's just a heavy fighter, then what if anything is going to give it meaningful upsides/downsides from the Vanguard electronic warfare variant?

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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1 hour ago, RaveFlyz said:

Well hopefully as a superiority spacecraft that it has more tricks up it's sleeve than just "stealth" and "guns".  That being said, if it's just a heavy fighter, then what if anything is going to give it meaningful upsides/downsides from the Vanguard electronic warfare variant?

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I agree that the Aegis Eclipse must have some unique features aside from just being a large starfighter. CIG has mentioned that the Eclipse is a top secret military ship that the UEE military uses for black ops. Presumably that means it will be stealthy and have long range flight capabilities -- otherwise it would have to be launched from a "stealth carrier", which is a whole 'nuther can of worms, so the Eclipse must have long range. The rumours about the Eclipse were that it had some e-warfare and/or quantum travel interdiction capabilities. If those features were combined with a large, stealthy fighter, it's understandable why it would be designated a Space Superiority Fighter.

It's just a question of whether it will be worth $275?

My prediction is that the Eclipse will be worth a lot more than the $25 price difference between it and the Vanguard Warden would indicate. That doesn't necessarily mean it will be worth $275 though. As I've said, I think the Vanguard Warden should've been priced $200. The Hornet Ghost stealth variant cost $15 more than the F7C. The Sentinel e-warfare variant cost $15 more than the Warden. The Warlock EMP variant of the Avenger cost something like $30 more than the Avenger Stalker (or was it the Titan?). If you start with the $200 Warden and combine those three upgrades they add up to $260. So the Eclipse's $275 price might be justifiable. Although I still think that CIG would've been smarter if they sold the Eclipse for a significant discount for the Concept Sale and go for sales volume instead.

As you said, we'll have to wait and see. I sincerely hope that the Eclipse blows my mind and I have no qualms about buying it. If it is truly spectacular, I'd even consider buying the warbond, instead of using my store credit, to contribute more to Star Citizen's development. :)

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Wait, wasn't the Vanguard Warden sold as mil-spec @250USD but downgraded to a Civilian version after the sale? I have strong doubts about this sale as well. 

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Every single clip is saved

 

 

WELCOME!

 

UEEN BOMBER COMMANDO

 

 

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couldn't pause it long enough to capture that last O lol

Clips are gone guys, but those two images were what was captured. The most important parts anyways.

CIG deleted all of the clips lol Literally just watched them disappear in front of me

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36 minutes ago, Donut said:

Every single clip is saved

 

 

WELCOME!

 

UEEN BOMBER COMMANDO

 

 

UEEN Bomber Commando title.png

Secret UEEN Bomber Commando.png

couldn't pause it long enough to capture that last O lol

Clips are gone guys, but those two images were what was captured. The most important parts anyways.

CIG deleted all of the clips lol Literally just watched them disappear in front of me

So it became a bomber while no one was looking;)

The biggest "danger" this thing has imho is to kill the Vanguard Harbinger, we'll see how it goes.

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Ugh, they could have just slapped some Ghost void armor on a Harbinger/Retaliator and been done with it.  They need attention more than we need another Aegis bomber.  I was hoping for a some kind of stealth heavy fighter with the wing tips folding down (not that we need one of those either..).

Lol, I just realised that if they give it BUKs as well it could be both. xD  I dunno if CIG is that cheeky though.

EDIT: My guess is, if you swap all the turrets on a Retaliator for stealth tech you effectively get the Eclipse.

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I'm curious whether outposts can be destroyed. If so they just became obsolete.

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