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Banu Defender

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Banu Defender -  Ben talks a bit about it in this video below at 18:30m (revealing it concept is basically ready but they want to flush out the Banu Race more).   He also mentions that it will be out in the next couple weeks.  "It is a smaller ship".... but.... "there is no such thing as a single seat Banu ship".... but it is "as low as a Banu ship goes"...

We also know it is a combat ship and one of the last three remaining WAVE 5 ships (its obviously a combat ship with its name but Ben also mentioned with the upcoming WAVE 6 for people to pick up additional fighting concept ships before WAVE 6 because they will be dedicated Civilian ships (per OP).

Also in this Video at 16:18m  Ben talks about his list of WAVE 6 ships being in flux (he has a "PITCH DOCUMENT").

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I am looking forward to the Banu Defender and I am interested in seeing how radically different it may handle. I love how different the Vanduul ships and Xi'an Khartu-Al (though I still feel that CIG needs to do more work on the Khartu-Al).

What "defending" role do you think the Banu Defender will play........ my guess is that it will be a "tanky" .... "screening" ship...... designed to protect trade ships (since the Banu are all about trade).

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Banu Defender - Concept Sale Price - [POLL]

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Banu Weaponry - Singe

This tachyon cannon, called the Singe, is a long range, high damage weapon used by the Banu Defender. Like much of the Banu technology, its real origin is unknown, but based on the fact that it differs from other Banu engineering choices, UEE historians suspect they assimilated it from some other culture. 

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2017.04.15 - The Banu Defender will have a credit price of $185. 

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On Friday, April 07, 2017 at 10:36 AM, VoA said:

Banu Defender -  Ben talks a bit about it in this video below at 18:30m (revealing it concept is basically ready but they want to flush out the Banu Race more).   He also mentions that it will be out in the next couple weeks.  "It is a smaller ship".... but.... "there is no such thing as a single seat Banu ship".... but it is "as low as a Banu ship goes"...

We also know it is a combat ship and one of the last three remaining WAVE 5 ships (its obviously a combat ship with its name but Ben also mentioned with the upcoming WAVE 6 for people to pick up additional fighting concept ships before WAVE 6 because they will be dedicated Civilian ships (per OP).

Also in this Video at 16:18m  Ben talks about his list of WAVE 6 ships being in flux (he has a "PITCH DOCUMENT").

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I am looking forward to the Banu Defender and I am interested in seeing how radically different it may handle. I love how different the Vanduul ships and Xi'an Khartu-Al (though I still feel that CIG needs to do more work on the Khartu-Al).

What "defending" role do you think the Banu Defender will play........ my guess is that it will be a "tanky" .... "screening" ship...... designed to protect trade ships (since the Banu are all about trade).

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Banu Defender - Concept Sale Price - [POLL]

Do ya think it will be like the Polaris, all guns  and nimbal or something to soak  up damage.

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Well we know so little about the ship but based on the info we have, im envisioning a banu version of the Vanguard...
Heavy armor, med speed and agility, long distance traveler, all designed to defend larger slower moving ships, allowing them time to spool up and jump free of any incursion.

Thoughts?

AstroJak


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25 minutes ago, AstroJak said:

Well we know so little about the ship but based on the info we have, im envisioning a banu version of the Vanguard...
Heavy armor, med speed and agility, long distance traveler, all designed to defend larger slower moving ships, allowing them time to spool up and jump free of any uncursion.

Thoughts?

AstroJak
 

I agree overall. However, range might not be as much of an issue if it is around large ships (I assume you can offload fuel out of your tank).  

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Yep, getting excited again for the release of this one. As you say we know very little.

Personally I am hoping for small long distance laser boat that can also act as a scout. If it is meant to escourt BMMs as a defender then there is also the possibility that they could throw in an E-war package to allow the BMM to jump clear.

Who knows with this one. They have released so little info but personally I just want a little two man laser boat that needs no ammo and can deal pain out to long ranges.

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Just remember that as they say last of the wave 5 ships  LTI       //// ,,wave 6  could be 4 year insurance will it matter who knows...

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14 hours ago, Painmiester said:

Do ya think it will be like the Polaris, all guns  and nimbal or something to soak  up damage.

I think it will be tanky (we just got the Buccaneer and Hurricane which are glass cannons).   The Terrapin is a tanky ship but not really meant as an Escort ship like the Banu Defender wants to be.

 

11 hours ago, AstroJak said:

Well we know so little about the ship but based on the info we have, im envisioning a banu version of the Vanguard...
Heavy armor, med speed and agility, long distance traveler, all designed to defend larger slower moving ships, allowing them time to spool up and jump free of any incursion.

+ 1 Agree :)

5 hours ago, Leonn said:

Personally I am hoping for small long distance laser boat that can also act as a scout.

Acting as a scout does still serve an escort function but doesn't play well with the name "defender"

5 hours ago, Leonn said:

If it is meant to escourt BMMs as a defender then there is also the possibility that they could throw in an E-war package to allow the BMM to jump clear.

I think an E-war ship is more of a possibility for the Defender than a Scout - but I am still favoring the Tanky / Screening Defender concept.

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The Terrapin basically has no weapons (other than a gimbal stuck into its recess). There is no way it will be another corvette when they has to build up a line for an alien race. Defender is a Fighter*(gunboat for bigger). As always Their is 3 choices and 2 of these must be choice Armour, Weapons and Speed. Pricing will be somewhere 150-250(if it  is a *gunboat* more than one crew then 300+.

E-war is an offensive weapon, not defensive. Defender, is not the name you'd give you an offensive ship. Again Scouting is offensive.

Lightly armored is 3-4 type I think. The Medium class ship is only Hornet and Sabre, they are two different types though, and 1 Heavy (which goes under the light armor). F8 is not really going on concept sale like previous ships as of the current time.

AstroJak is closest imho. 

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Related to the Banu Defender. :)

 

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"This tachyon cannon, called the Singe, is a long range, high damage weapon used by the Banu Defender. Like much of the Banu technology, its real origin is unknown, but based on the fact that it differs from other Banu engineering choices, UEE historians suspect they assimilated it from some other cultures"

 

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8 hours ago, Danakar Endeel said:

Related to the Banu Defender. :)

 

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The Banu "Singe" tachyon cannon popped up on a subreddit yesterday. Very interesting. A long range, high damage weapon. It seems like a "sniper cannon".

Considering that tachyons are a hypothetical type of particles that can travel faster than light, a tachyon cannon would be a precision long range weapon, because in theory there'd be no projectile flight time -- the instant the cannon's muzzle flash is visible the tachyon particles should impact the target -- and therefore no need to lead a moving target, like with the current weapons. As long as the weapon is on target, it should have 100% accuracy.

Of course, that's just speculation. In terms of game mechanics, CIG probably won't give the tachyon cannon FTL muzzle velocity; just extremely high muzzle velocity (perhaps 10,000 m/s).

As for the Banu Defender, I'm hoping it's comparable to a Vanguard, but has a more spacious interior with more amenities. I think it will be, based on what is known about the Banu and the Merchantman. My prediction is that the Defender will be similar in design to the Merchantman, with wide (probably retractable) wings and fins, around a tapered fuselage. (Notice that the Singe tachyon cannon resembles the MM.) I think the internal size of the Defender will be somewhere in-between a Freelancer and a Constellation. And I wouldn't be surprised if the Defender was designed to dock with the Merchantman like a parasite craft, similar to how the P-52 docks with the Constellation.

The question is: How much will the Banu Defender cost?

We all know that the Banu Merchantman is really under-priced. It was originally $250 and during the 2016 Anniversary Sale it increased to $295. But when it's flyable, I think the price is going to jump to at least $400.

The reason I bring up the presumptive price increase of the Merchantman is because I predict the Banu Defender is going to be priced around $250, same as the Vanguard (which was criticized as over-priced). Although, CIG will probably put an "alien" premium price on the Defender, so it'll be $275.

I don't know if CIG will provide a discounted warbond cash-only price for the Banu Defender -- it wouldn't really make sense from an in-universe perspective, since it's a Banu import ship. But the warbond trick seems to be effective at bringing in new money to Star Citizen, so they might do it anyway.

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So if we go on the basis  that the singe cannon is a long range weapon thus needs larger reactor to power it.

Then a fighter or a med LVL ship can't cover the power needed, then we're looking at a Connie size ship or greator.

I would hope it's a larger one.ill grab one of those. ...

 

Some one data mine this one.....

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29 minutes ago, Painmiester said:

So if we go on the basis  that the singe cannon is a long range weapon thus needs larger reactor to power it.

Then a fighter or a med LVL ship can't cover the power needed, then we're looking at a Connie size ship or greator.

I would hope it's a larger one.ill grab one of those.

I think the Singe Tachyon Cannon will be a relatively high damage weapon, compared to the existing ship cannons. I seriously doubt it's going to be a one-shot-kill anti-ship weapon -- except maybe against light fighters, like a Mustang or M50. I presume that the Singe is going to have a long recharge time, so it's RoF will be very low; probably 6 shots per minute. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a click-hold-to-charge and release-to-fire type of weapon, to make it more interesting.

I believe that the Singe could be equipped on a Vanguard-size ship and be adequately powered. I don't think the Defender will have to be Constellation-size to have a large enough power plant to power the Singe. Perhaps for balance, the Defender won't be able to use its other weapons, recharge its shields, or engage boost/afterburner while the Singe is charging or firing. That would make sense. But I don't think it's going to be ridiculously OP'd.

Also, "long range" is probably also relative. According to the current weapon stats, the longest range weapon is the Behring M7A Laser at 6287 metres. The Singe could have an effective range of 10,000 metres, which is relatively long range -- but aiming would be difficult, unless the Singe has a powerful zoom function, which would be a great idea!

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Finding the range on the main gun of the Idris m .

And this tachon beam  long range sniper cannon.must be  25k-50k ,instapop speed light,,, and such

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6 hours ago, Reavern said:

I think the Singe Tachyon Cannon will be a relatively high damage weapon, compared to the existing ship cannons. I seriously doubt it's going to be a one-shot-kill anti-ship weapon -- except maybe against light fighters, like a Mustang or M50. I presume that the Singe is going to have a long recharge time, so it's RoF will be very low; probably 6 shots per minute. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a click-hold-to-charge and release-to-fire type of weapon, to make it more interesting.

I believe that the Singe could be equipped on a Vanguard-size ship and be adequately powered. I don't think the Defender will have to be Constellation-size to have a large enough power plant to power the Singe. Perhaps for balance, the Defender won't be able to use its other weapons, recharge its shields, or engage boost/afterburner while the Singe is charging or firing. That would make sense. But I don't think it's going to be ridiculously OP'd.

Also, "long range" is probably also relative. According to the current weapon stats, the longest range weapon is the Behring M7A Laser at 6287 metres. The Singe could have an effective range of 10,000 metres, which is relatively long range -- but aiming would be difficult, unless the Singe has a powerful zoom function, which would be a great idea!

Something else to consider regarding the Singe Tachyon Cannon. It might be possible that you can't equip it on a non-Banu ship. :(

 

Now personally I wouldn't mind decking out my Sabre with alien tachyon cannons and be some kind of sniping ninja, but I wonder if the technology is even interchangeable. After all, the few other alien ships were the Vanduul Scythe, Glaive and Blade which I don't believe can swap out their weapons at all and the Xi'an Scout was an export model made specifically for the human market yet did not come with Xi'an weapons.

 

So I wonder if the Singe is restricted/locked to the Banu Defender.

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Looks like with the Singe weapon - others posted above - means that the Banu Defender wouldn't likely be a "Tanky" ship like I had hoped but may end up using firepower and long range to drive away attackers

Banu Defender 185$

Disco Lando | CIG@discolando

Spaceship Prices!

2017.04.15 - The Banu Defender will have a credit price of $185. 

AdmiralSloth | CIG

The next concept sale is the Banu Defender and will have a credit price of $185. We will release more details about it later in the week, and I will update this thread.

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On 09/04/2017 at 9:59 AM, Leonn said:

..... personally I just want a little two man laser boat that needs no ammo and can deal pain out to long ranges.

$185, Come to me my little beauty.

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On 4/9/2017 at 10:54 AM, AstroJak said:

Well we know so little about the ship but based on the info we have, im envisioning a banu version of the Vanguard...
Heavy armor, med speed and agility, long distance traveler, all designed to defend larger slower moving ships, allowing them time to spool up and jump free of any incursion.

Thoughts?

AstroJak
 

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I'd like it to be a Banu version of the Vanguard!  Great idea!

Alas, at $185 non-Warbond price, its not in that price range....

 

P.S. not sure how I managed to get that extra empty quotation box in here, and I could not delete it..

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5 minutes ago, Pharesm said:

Alas, at $185 non-Warbond price, its not in that price range....

Looks like the community expected price in the poll (see link in OP) was right on though. ... 

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4 minutes ago, VoA said:

Looks like the community expected price in the poll (see link in OP) was right on though. ... 

So, I guess my follow-on question would be how close it can get to a Vanguard at $185...

 

Also, Alien ships have been considerably weaker compared to UEE ships for the same price...

CIG marketing seems to think there should be a hefty surcharge just for a ship being alien in origin.

 

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Heh Yeah community! You dumbasses you should have gone lower!

It's no where near the Vanguard really. I am assumping that it will be fighter specific IE just a cockpit.

Tbh The name "defender" could be just that a name, but I think from which little I know, that it can be another Med-heavy Fighter with heavy armour, heavy weapons and not the nimblest fighter.  

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1 hour ago, Pharesm said:

So, I guess my follow-on question would be how close it can get to a Vanguard at $185...

 

Also, Alien ships have been considerably weaker compared to UEE ships for the same price...

CIG marketing seems to think there should be a hefty surcharge just for a ship being alien in origin.

 

I know the Xi'an Khartu-Al isn't considered a prime combat ship (more of a scout) with a variation of it being able to compete with the Hornet but it is priced at $150 which increased to $170........ and the Banu MM is only $250 and will likely increase in price and possibly even double in price.....

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It could be that Sandi and Marketing are intervening and "wanting" a lesser priced ship for "sales" reasons (higher volume of sales)...... then they could increase the price later on......

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We won't really know until we see the concept but the Singe weapon looks impressive....

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I would wet myself if CIG decided to make this ship dockable to the BMM. If the BMM increases in size it could easily have docking clamps on the top to hold that defender (like they did with the shuttle on the Stargate Universe Destiny).

 

OK ..... a man can dream right?

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Just now, Booster Terrik said:

I would wet myself if CIG decided to make this ship dockable to the BMM. If the BMM increases in size it could easily have docking clamps on the top to hold that defender (like they did with the shuttle on the Stargate Universe Destiny).

 

OK ..... a man can dream right?

I mean, its possible. Most other large ships have some sort of parasite craft and $185 for full ship is not that much, especially when you factor in the alien premium. I am expecting a craft with stats of like a standard hornet (though with its sniping specialty) so docking with the BMM could be a nice way to encourage people to buy it.... or this all could be BS and its just the Banu version of the Aurora and a $150 alien premium. 

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Imagine the BMM covered in larger higher powered versions of these lasers. I really hope we see the Banu go full lasers with massive power cores. I expect the BMM to have a huge power core and awesome jump range anyway so keeping their race specific ships in that vein seems probable.

I love lasers fleets! They allow for some brilliant tactical fleet battles and this news just gets me excited for their combat ships.

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