Star Citizen spectrum

[TheGreatWars]

I love I really hope we move to that. My thoughts are it has a lot of promise but ill wait to see what it will be like, But it seems like discord in a way  so it has to be good right?

[Tom Villder]

If it can integrate with the game, then its downright essential... it would make TS/Discord obsolete for SC i.e. if you can directly chat with people in-game without a 3rd party client, to the point that the stuff I write on my tablet would show up on a player's mobiglass... then it looks like we have some moving to do 

[DirtDiver2Nine]

super awesome but I wanted to hear more about VOIP 

[GRIZZ]

I'll be happy to have an improved persistent chat experience, something i feel we have been lacking.  But i'll reserve judgement untill ive had time to beat on it and see its shortfalls.

Remember, anything said on an RSI owned chat can be intercepted by RSI GM's.  You give up privacy in trade for convenience.

[TheGreatWars]

7 minutes ago, GRIZZ said:

I'll be happy to have an improved persistent chat experience, something i feel we have been lacking.  But i'll reserve judgement untill ive had time to beat on it and see its shortfalls.

Remember, anything said on an RSI owned chat can be intercepted by RSI GM's.  You give up privacy in trade for convenience.

well i dont have a problem with it useless it watching me

[Tom Villder]

17 minutes ago, GRIZZ said:

 But i'll reserve judgement untill ive had time to beat on it and see its shortfalls.

This is the most important thing for me.  I want to know:

- Will we have in-game/out-of-game communication?

- Will we have cross-device communication?

- How will voip will turn out?

 

18 minutes ago, GRIZZ said:

Remember, anything said on an RSI owned chat can be intercepted by RSI GM's.  You give up privacy in trade for convenience.

As long as Imperium isn't exploiting the game or cheating, then we have nothing to hide.  

But if one went all #tinfoil, then one could advise that the decisions of the higher ups and major tactical orders shouldn't be shared on Spectrum in the event that somehow... just somehow, a GM with access to Spectrum channels of other orgs might not be as neutral and might be in favor of sharing info to an alliance/org (I doubt the CIG GMs would fall to this level, but other GMs of other games have been known to do this).

[DirtDiver2Nine]

4 minutes ago, Tom Villder said:

As long as Imperium isn't exploiting the game or cheating, then we have nothing to hide.  

But if one went all #tinfoil, then one could advise that the decisions of the higher ups and major tactical orders shouldn't be shared on Spectrum in the event that somehow... just somehow, a GM with access to Spectrum channels of other orgs might not be as neutral and might be in favor of sharing info to an alliance/org (I doubt the CIG GMs would fall to this level, but other GMs of other games have been known to do this).

I think spectrum will be leaps and bounds better than what we have no question.... But I don't think it will be the end all be all. It won't have the functionality our Portal has or will have, so I think that at least for Imperium Spectrum will just be another tool for us to use 

[Tom Villder]

4 minutes ago, DirtDiverTwo9 said:

I think spectrum will be leaps and bounds better than what we have no question.... But I don't think it will be the end all be all. It won't have the functionality our Portal has or will have, so I think that at least for Imperium Spectrum will just be another tool for us to use 

I wonder what the tech team's first impressions are of Spectrum

[Cincinnatus]

40 minutes ago, GRIZZ said:

I'll be happy to have an improved persistent chat experience, something i feel we have been lacking.  But i'll reserve judgement untill ive had time to beat on it and see its shortfalls.

Remember, anything said on an RSI owned chat can be intercepted by RSI GM's.  You give up privacy in trade for convenience.

or possibly hacked. 

[Tom Villder]

27 minutes ago, Cincinnatus said:

or possibly hacked. 

A very real possibility, one that has happened before.

Alternatively, if Imperium found itself more dependent on Spectrum than other means, then we could resort to using codenames 

[Chimaera]

The biggest disappointment of the whole deal for the org leadership here is the complete lack of additional organization tools that we NEED (not want) and have been asking for since Turbulent came to us back after Orgs 1.0/1.5 and asked for feedback. While there may be something to be said, especially for a lot of orgs who don't have the resources and tools that we have, for what they're rolling out, it's absolutely nothing that is absolutely NEEDED by orgs at the moment. So, while I can see that it's nice/useful for a lot of other orgs, I really don't see it as being something useful for us at all. We'll see when it rolls out, though. 

[DirtDiver2Nine]

Question??? I know that maybe this sounds naïve but could we (Imperium/base members) outside of our forum push for improvements to org tools? use our large numbers to start a "campaign" on RSI forums, Reddit and maybe get some content creators to make videos or other content to get some awareness to this. Have our diplomats talk to other organizations to see if maybe they could get there members involved???....... After citizencon disappointment dies down of course lol 

[Chimaera]

We've already been doing this on the leadership side, and no, we don't allow our members to speak out on our behalf in this manner. Believe me, we've been working hard, and there's been several attempts by the community to get better org tools. It always ends up with something that's delayed or disappointing for us, but possibly understandable from CIG's perspective. What gets me is this: If you're going to ask people for input, then spend two years with no feedback on Orgs 2.0, why then create something that has absolutely none of the features that have been requested? Granted, it's Turbulent doing the development of this whole thing, and they're simply contractors, but still it's frustrating. 

[CyberianK]

imho what was about to originally be Orgs 2.0 is confirmed dead at this point and probably has been for a while so I don't think it is worth wasting breath at it

what came up earlier in discussion:

maybe ultimately if their spectrum platform will be integrated more and more in the game then CIG studios directly might be more and more involved the more it moves closer

and maybe this might lead to more and more internal devs taking over and ditching Turbulent for content design and functionality programming (API and such) and maybe only using them for the pretty things

[DirtDiver2Nine]

To bad a lot of people thought star map was more important than orgs 2.0

[Fintz]

4 hours ago, DirtDiverTwo9 said:

To bad a lot of people thought star map was more important than orgs 2.0

Based on the numbers they showed , 200k from 1.4m are in an Org. So for those that are active the Star map made more sense (i know the numbers do not represent 100% the time period the vote took place)

[Space-Walrus]

I must admit I'm pretty disappointed with the Spectrum reveal. It seems to me like they decided they wanted to reinvent the wheel for whatever reason, and basically ended up with a reskinned version of Discord with some features pulled from Facebook and Reddit. With the exception of perhaps in-game integration, it is my opinion that Imperium's current forum-teamspeak-portal infrastructure is superior in many ways to Spectrum, and until we are presented with a much, much, more compelling reason to migrate, we should remain with our own native systems already in place.

[Danakar Endeel]

I fear I slept through most of that part, so I have no clue what it is. Something about Discord, Facebook and Reddit rolled into one?

[Rain2reign]

"SpaceFace, be connected now, SpaceFace." - Sponsered by Roberts Space Industries.

[DarthAraknus]

18 hours ago, CyberianK said:

what was about to originally be Orgs 2.0 

Any information about what was planned in the original Orgs 2.0?

When it was announced, I thought spectrum can have potential if they allow orgs to write custom integrations and tools, but after hearing them talk about it, I realized it's just a glorified chat client and will be nothing more.

[CyberianK]

7 hours ago, DarthAraknus said:

Any information about what was planned in the original Orgs 2.0?

When it was announced, I thought spectrum can have potential if they allow orgs to write custom integrations and tools, but after hearing them talk about it, I realized it's just a glorified chat client and will be nothing more.

I am not fully able to find everything as I don't have that much time but for example this:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13418-All-About-Organizations

 

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What’s Next?

Public testing of Organizations begins later this month with a planned rollout in early January. That’s just the first step! Future drops throughout 2014 will greatly increase customization and functionality as development continues. Here are a few of the features that will be included with future releases:

• Organization Forums – Every organization will have its own, private forum through the RSI site!
• Org Blog – Featuring a shoutbox and the ability to post news updates. Keep your organization informed with your own Comm-Link.
• Visual Chart – An interactive display showing all of your organization’s divisions, jobs and members.
• Fleet View – See your group’s ships!
• Calendar – Set up squadron meetings, big events and more.
• Voting – Make your group decisions based on your team’s consensus.

… and much, much more!

We’re excited about the Organization launch because it aims to do exactly what we’re striving for with Star Citizen: better immerse players in the Star Citizen universe. Even better, it does so by giving Citizens the tools to help create their universe rather than locking them into any one experience. We’re looking forward to seeing where you take your organizations!

Orgs 2.0 suggested additional functional and administration content not just communication and social although that part of that we will now get but 3 years later while the other parts are basically scrapped.

Maybe it is better to understand why peoples are so salty about this. Because the same guys who were responsible for realizing this three years ago now go on stage in a lackluster presentation and are trying to sell us a forums and chat functionality that is less than the original idea that they did not act upon because they were overwhelmed with work from just basic maintaining and administrating the RSI web platform they are responsible for. Also there was lots of beating around the bush and sales talk in his presentation he sold us way less than the original vision in 25 minutes of praising it as the greatest shit ever. They simply don't seem to have the resources to do good work in a reasonable timeframe. I expect whatever they release to us to be seriously lacking as I don't have much trust in the Turbulent team anymore.

Thats why my hope was that some of their responsibilities might be shifted to CIG internal staff to get more sh!t done.

[CyberianK]

the video touched management and fleet view from Orgs 2.0 again around 1300-1500

[SoreGums]

Ultimately we need an API that allows bidirectional messages with players + ability to create UI's in the mobiglass area. Then it doesn't matter what RSI come up with as we'll be able to fill holes for functions we want.

API would need access to facts as well, player names, oAuth, org stuff, starmap info, ship info etc.

So they need to build the in game mobiglass apps on the same tech they could make public, then expose an API that we can access externally.

Fingers crossed we get this.

[DarthAraknus]

I completely agree with that. As an API Architect and Evangelist, I am really sad they dont have one yet.

[Tom Villder]

6 hours ago, SoreGums said:

API would need access to facts as well, player names, oAuth, org stuff, starmap info, ship info etc.

So they need to build the in game mobiglass apps on the same tech they could make public, then expose an API that we can access externally.

3 hours ago, DarthAraknus said:

As an API Architect and Evangelist

I'm a layman in this so I have no idea.  Will any of this pose a security risk if it was information was shared in this way?  In other words, what do you think are the security implications of this having not only cross-platform information sharing (computers, phones, tablets), but cross-program/OS(?) i.e. between the desktop spectrum .exe, osx, linux, ios, tablet .apk and in-game?