RSI - Polaris - Corvette

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RSI Polaris

About the Polaris

The Polaris is a nimble corvette-class capital ship that packs a powerful punch with a full armament of turrets and torpedoes. Intended for use as both a naval patrol ship and to serve as the flagship of militia operations, Polaris has the capacity to perform search and rescue operations, light strike missions and general security patrols. The Polaris includes the facilities to repair, rearm and refuel a single fighter, light bomber or support ship.

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[GalYurr]

Sounds nice, smaller than I expected though (although, that might help keep the cost down).  Wonder if it'll take any design cues from the Pegasus, as they make that as well.

[Gremlich]

remember that Polaris is the class of the ship -- Polaris-Class Corvette

[GeraldEvans]

How is out supposed to be capital-sized at 100-110m? That's shorter than the 890 / Carrack.

I am glad that RSI is getting another ship out there but a part of me longs for the Correlian corvette and that could only be made by Origin. Or maybe Outland could make it in the style of the Mustang.

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Added new poll to RSI Forum

RSI - Polaris - Corvette - Concept Sale Price [POLL][82+Votes]

 

 

26 minutes ago, GeraldEvans said:

How is out supposed to be capital-sized at 100-110m? That's shorter than the 890 / Carrack.

per... this below....

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Walltar | walltar said:

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Well, since new Corvette is about 30% smaller than original one, then I would say that it won't be sold for same price (1000) as Idris. 

Hippias | Hippias said:

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So that means room for at least 1-2 Hornets?

>>>>>> The reason why the probably set it at 100-110m is for it NOT to be a Pocket Carrier........ probably ......

Alex Ander | Deathsnake said:

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First concept was more a Gunship with 85m, and about 14 guns and some Missiles. Lets see what is it in the end.

^^^^^^^ Probably it will be this....... a Gunship....

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Tewee | Tewee said:

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I am hoping for a Endeavour type of sale. 

Some base for a certain price and apply modules to it to make a fitting Corvette.

But honestly I didn't expect it to be so "small", more like 130-150m, though I don't mind either way, bigger isn't always better but I'm estimating that at this length we can hardly expect more than one or 2 snub fighters if any for the Corvette. Which is also fine by me.

Wild guesses here, hoping for a 350$ base and various modules of various prices. 

I also hope they won't screw up the turret placement.

I don't think they will make it like the modular Endeavor (mainly because they have so much to do on the game and other ships to work on as well). The Corvette will sell...... on its own..... even its a simple gun ship...... without much fluff....

The 100-110m size also (as I previously mentinoed) - makes it unlikely for it to be a carrier ship (again - making it easier on the development side to create the ship).

There is nothing in this size range that is a military ship (all of them are industrial / exploration / transport / etc... ships)...... so again..... that alone will create a huge Concept Sale in terms of popularity. If CIG prices it mid range (not high .... and unlikely not low)...... it will likely surpass all other Concept Sales to date....... and I would rather have a decent price then modules or it as a pocket carrier... etc...

Arduis Fidelis | Ardy-Actual said:

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do we know who the artist is?

Not yet - they just had a meeting on the Specs (Concept art comes after the specs)

[Gremlich]

1 hour ago, GeraldEvans said:

How is out supposed to be capital-sized at 100-110m? That's shorter than the 890 / Carrack.

I am glad that RSI is getting another ship out there but a part of me longs for the Correlian corvette and that could only be made by Origin. Or maybe Outland could make it in the style of the Mustang.

it isn't about size, it is about function - although, corvettes in our real life are decidedly NOT Capital ships - they are roadstead/littoral area ships. Capital ships are typically Carriers and Battleships - ones around which a large fleet is assembled or the primary/lead ships in a fleet or flotilla.

[Karmaslap]

I don't think they will make it like the modular Endeavor (mainly because they have so much to do on the game and other ships to work on as well). The Corvette will sell...... on its own..... even its a simple gun ship...... without much fluff....

The 100-110m size also (as I previously mentinoed) - makes it unlikely for it to be a carrier ship (again - making it easier on the development side to create the ship)

 

I would agree that it won't/shouldn't be modular. I do hope that it can hold fighters, though- not internally as a carrier, but Carrack style piggybacking on landing pads on the top. If they go with that, the ship will have a lot of scout functionality and room inside can be used for cargo and other systems.

 

I really hope they give it a torpedo launcher, two big guns with forward coverage, and go easy on the missiles. I think that would make it useful vs larger capitals and medium sized ships such as the reclaimer or constellation, while leaving the role of anti-fighter to the constellation and its own complement. I suppose they could go a balanced or other route and make it anti fighter, though. 

[VoA]

I also added another new poll to RSI forums - see link

RSI - Polaris - Corvette - with P52, P72 and new P62 ? [POLL]

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Recently created the RSI - Polaris - Corvette - Concept Sale Price [POLL] and a new collaborative brilliant idea emerged from that thread that deserves its own poll (see post from link and subsequent posts)

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A Corvette is not typically meant to take on a larger capital ship in a 1v1..... but rather to harass them.
A Corvette is usually designed to escort larger capital ships and protect them vs fighters and bombers.

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1) Should The RSI - Polaris - Corvette be a snub fighter carrier like a Constellation (since the Corvette is too small at its given size of 100-110m per Ben today on RTV to be a standard fighter carrier)? If so how many Snub Fighters should the Polaris have? Sorry messed up and should have put Zero down as an option on this poll (intended to but can't fix it now).

2) Should the Snub Fighter be a P52 Merlin?

3) Should the Snub Fighter be a P72 Archimedies?

4) Should CIG create a P62 Torpedo Snub Bomber (same ship as a P52-P72 with one torpedo in the main body of the ship)

5) Should the Drake Dragonfly be consider an optional Snub Fighter for the Polaris?

6) Should CIG create a new 1-2 man boarding ship like the Vanduul Cleaver for the Polaris (as seen on ATV and in image below)?


7) Should CIG only allow only one type of Snub fighter or any of the above?

[AstroJak]

I would go with #8 -

                CIG has already stated they don't place immersion breaking limits on what can be placed where but simply put... "if it fits its good". this was stated for the endeavor bay as well as the Idris expanded bay, which has enough room for 3-4 ships dependent on size the particular ships in question. so with that said, its a mute point between P52 - 72 ... if they provide an accessible bay to launch a ship it will be based on size and what ever can fit will be ok.

my feeling is they wont provide any more room to hold more than 1 snub nose fighter/scout ships/similar as the corvette isn't meant to be a pocket carrier. 

AJ

[faquarl25]

Since this is a military ship, whatever snub/ runabout they attach should be a military version, not the P52 or the luxury P72. A military P62 might work but the lore behind Kruger would not support it. It should have a maintenance vehicle though. So maybe an Argo? What they might do is to make it a scaled down Javelin. Instead of the Hangar accommodating 1 redeemer it would accommodate 1 hornet. 

 

At this point, I trust CIG to do whatever they think is best. 

 

Spread the word: Trust CIG, they have done a good job so far. 

[Darius Marx]

Good. SC needs more ships. We need some more variety! Can't wait to see what this one looks like.

[CheeseNorris]

much want.. oh no. there goes my vacation 

[Painmiester]

I tink. 1 fighter in the corvette if large and may be 2 snubs,,,, but it may just be a gunship....With no fighters  just an anti. Fighter  escort.

estimated cost prolly......350.00 To 700.00.

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10 hours ago, AstroJak said:

I would go with #8 -

                CIG has already stated they don't place immersion breaking limits on what can be placed where but simply put... "if it fits its good". this was stated for the endeavor bay as well as the Idris expanded bay, which has enough room for 3-4 ships dependent on size the particular ships in question. so with that said, its a mute point between P52 - 72 ... if they provide an accessible bay to launch a ship it will be based on size and what ever can fit will be ok.

my feeling is they wont provide any more room to hold more than 1 snub nose fighter/scout ships/similar as the corvette isn't meant to be a pocket carrier. 

AJ

Snub Fighters  (as they did with the Connie) don't need standard "platform" hangars like standard fighters use.... Snubs can operate with docking connections stationed to a ship  (so they are different from standard ship hangars like in the Idris, Javelin, Endeavor, etc...)

[Masokas]

I'm no navy man, but in other space games I've played the corvette's roll was decidedly as a heavy anti-fighter platform... not anti-capital ship.  Leave that to the bombers and frigates with spinal mounted cannons! I think a corvette could be a friggen riot to play with! 

As for being a carrier, no thanks. Leave that to frigates and ships with larger holding capacities: I want my corvette to be "small", armored vs small craft while maintaining maneuverability vs larger ships and jam-packed full of ka-boom-boom!

[Aethio]

I agree with @Masokas, assigning a 110-ish meter Corvette an anti-capital ship role would be a little painful to see. A fleet of Retaliator bombers, or just a single Javelin for that matter, would most likely be all that is required to kill an enemy battleship or carrier. Something as large as this.. well, it'd be a very large target for enemy fighters.

I think that it should be an automated gun platform, something that enemy fighters are like "Oh, shit" to. AGP and EWAR are two tasks that have yet to be fulfilled as much as an Anti-Capital ship role or missile boats. We have fighters, sure, but nothing that explicitly forces the opposing fighters to be necessarily wary of any enemies, nothing that gives them the feeling of dread, like when you are captain of a battleship and suddenly five or six Retaliators appear from a nearby moon. 

 

[Masokas]

2 hours ago, Aethio said:

... We have fighters, sure, but nothing that explicitly forces the opposing fighters to be necessarily wary of any enemies, nothing that gives them the feeling of dread, like when you are captain of a battleship and suddenly five or six Retaliators appear from a nearby moon. 

 

This, exactly. A corvette showing up on the scene should totally give fighter-pilots that "Oh-SHIT!" feeling haha!

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19 hours ago, Masokas said:

I'm no navy man, but in other space games I've played the corvette's roll was decidedly as a heavy anti-fighter platform... not anti-capital ship.  Leave that to the bombers and frigates with spinal mounted cannons! I think a corvette could be a friggen riot to play with! 

Agree a corvette should be more about harassing another larger capital ship... not taking it on 1v1 with STS weapons.

19 hours ago, Masokas said:

As for being a carrier, no thanks. Leave that to frigates and ships with larger holding capacities: I want my corvette to be "small", armored vs small craft while maintaining maneuverability vs larger ships and jam-packed full of ka-boom-boom!

I agree that it should not be a Carrier ship like an Idris, Pegasus, Bengal, etc.... your typical carrier....... but that doesn't mean it can't have snub fighters right (that dock - more than land on a hangar platform).

Remember the Polaris is an RSI ship........ and if you think a Polaris shouldn't have a Snub fighter... then you would have to argue that a Connie shouldn't either... and that's not the case.  I see no real valid argument why the Polaris shouldn't have a snub fighter.  I think it should actually have 2.  One of them should be a P52 Merlin and the other should be a new ship that I though of........ a P62 Snub Bomber (That has one torpedo in its main fuselage )

And no...... this doesn't make it a "pocket carrier" ship..... I think it does make an Endeavor a Pocket Carrier though since it does have a standard optional hangar (snubs are different though).

[Masokas]

1 hour ago, VoA said:

Agree a corvette should be more about harassing another larger capital ship... not taking it on 1v1 with STS weapons.

I agree that it should be a Carrier ship like an Idris, Pegasus, Bengal, etc.... your typical carrier....... but that doesn't mean it can't have snub fighters right (that dock - more than land on a hangar platform).

Remember the Polaris is an RSI ship........ and if you think a Polaris shouldn't have a Snub fighter... then you would have to argue that a Connie shouldn't either... and that's not the case.  I see no real valid argument why the Polaris shouldn't have a snub fighter.  I think it should actually have 2.  One of them should be a P52 Merlin and the other should be a new ship that I though of........ a P62 Snub Bomber (That has one torpedo in its main fuselage )

And no...... this doesn't make it a "pocket carrier" ship..... I think it does make an Endeavor a Pocket Carrier though since it does have a standard optional hangar (snubs are different though).

It's not that I don't think it COULD have a snub fighter or 2... I just don't think it SHOULD. The Connie is described as an all-purpose ship... an all-rounder, totally makes sense that it could/should have a fighter. A corvette is a dedicated military ship designed for a specific roll (in this particular hypothesis, an anti-fighter weapons platform). Docking collars and snub fighters add size and weight that could be otherwise be used for shield generators, additional armor and (most importantly) weaponry (aka Ka-boom-boom!), or left out to simply save on weight (and improving maneuverability). :-)

Edit: And to be honest (again going off of other space games), I think a corvette should probably focus more on avoiding capital ships with their theoretically greater maneuvering capabilities... not poking the bear and "harassing" them hahaha. Again, leave the capital ships to the craft specifically designed to combat them (Retaliators and other cap-ships).

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34 minutes ago, Masokas said:

It's not that I don't think it COULD have a snub fighter or 2... I just don't think it SHOULD. The Connie is described as an all-purpose ship... an all-rounder, totally makes sense that it could/should have a fighter. A corvette is a dedicated military ship designed for a specific roll (in this particular hypothesis, an anti-fighter weapons platform). Docking collars and snub fighters add size and weight that could be otherwise be used for shield generators, additional armor and (most importantly) weaponry (aka Ka-boom-boom!), or left out to simply save on weight (and improving maneuverability). :-)

Edit: And to be honest (again going off of other space games), I think a corvette should probably focus more on avoiding capital ships with their theoretically greater maneuvering capabilities... not poking the bear and "harassing" them hahaha. Again, leave the capital ships to the craft specifically designed to combat them (Retaliators and other cap-ships).

So let's focus on the "should" concept.... if we both agree that Corvettes need to go after fighters... then what is the way to best take out another fighter.   Typically there are 3 classes of fighters.... Light / Medium / Heavy Fighters....

1. Heavy Fighters are intended with greater firepower - to go after larger ships and bombers (and have a weakness - due to lower maneuverability - vs Medium and Light fighters)
2. Medium Fighters have greater firepower than Light fighters but may not have enough for large ships.... and are primarily intended to go after medium ship and bombers (and have a weakness - due to lower maneuverability - vs Light fighters)
3. Light Fighters generally can only harass larger ships due to lack of firepower and are meant to take out other fighters and bombers (and have a weakness - due to lower maneuverability - vs Snub fighters)

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Since a Corvette does have the Firepower to take on other larger ships (just not large military Cap ships)...... including the firepower to take out Heavy Fighters...... this leaves their major weakness vs medium to light fighters that will likely out maneuver an already maneuverable Corvette..... thus Snub Fighters can help overcome what the Corvette lacks (the ability to put pressure on highly maneuverable targets)....  and it doesn't really need other items to improve its firepower since that is already part of its armaments.

Sure you can turn a Corvette from a ship that does more than Harass other larger Capital ships by giving it a STS Rail gun or Torpedoes but then it would function more like a Destroyer and not as an intended Escort or Fast pursuing ship...... which Snubs compliment.

[Karmaslap]

I have to entirely agree. Heavier fighters with larger guns/mini torpedoes might pose a threat to the corvette, but their lower manueverability makes them easier targets for the anti-fighter weapons. I eon't know about you guys, but I DON'T want the corvette turning into a missile boat as its response to fighters- so I'd much rather see it fit snubs. Honestly, I'd prefer it be able to carry fighters which are Q-capable, making the corvette an excellent choice for navigating a jump point into a system, and being able to scout it out/ used as a defensive ship able to drive off connies or fighter craft. 

 

I don't think it should be a carrier ship. The Endeavor is already the mid-sized carrier with the hangar module. I'd just like it to be well-rounded and I think it needs a way other than missile spamming to deal with light fighters. 

[Pagan-Tempest]

1 hour ago, Karmaslap said:

...making the corvette an excellent choice for navigating a jump point into a system, and being able to scout it out.

That's the role the Carrack serves in the UEE Navy. 

[Karmaslap]

It really seems like the Carrack focuses more on jump-charting and general scouting while staying out of trouble. Yes, it's technically a military ship and I don't want a new corvette's role to overlap an existing ship of its class too heavily, but I definitely wouldn't want to pick the Carrack to do an actual strength assessment of a system. Sure, it's gonna have pretty good shields, size 4 and 5 guns, 3 docking collars and the ship that can piggy back (Pisces?). I'd rather have either something meant for combat which could easily make a getaway without taking damage, or something really, really sneaky to do that work. Would not pick the Carrack for a hot zone scout. (Maybe I'll change my mind once the ships and systems are actually fleshed out, it's not exactly worth arguing until then, just my thoughts).

[GalYurr]

Corvette buks would be both awesome and terrible (for my wallet). ;p

 

• A medical ship between the small Cutlass Red (ambulance) and the large Endeavor (hospital)?

• Dedicated EWAR/intelligence?

 

With fixed variants though, I'd just take a standard model.

[Riley Egret]

At the cost of being a party pooper, I'll repeat what I wrote on the RSI poll thread, no snubs for the military for the following reasons:

1-there is no sign in lore to have them available to the Navy ( no military models)

2- they're flying coffins in a proper dogfight ( the average UEE pilot would be slaughtered by opposing pirate Hornet/Buccaneer or any Vanduul craft.... heck they had to create the Hornet to stand up to those)

3- the military is usually very careful about putting soldiers in a risky situation ( bad PR, look at the modern world).

If they feel the need for a fighter, they'll stuff a Gladius in there somehow.

I believe that looking for snubs in the Corvette suffers from the same mistake the guys that absolutely want it to be a convoy escort make: they built a military corvette "made" for civilian use in their mind, forgetting it is a military ship for the military ( and afaik they don't use snub at all).