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I don't consider it a carrier. It only has one ship and really doesn't have much. Even though in real life navel fleets some frigates take helos and they are never called mini/tiny/micro/toy carrier.

However, I hope they will unveil a pocket carrier with 5-8 fighters.

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3 hours ago, Devil Khan said:

I don't consider it a carrier. It only has one ship and really doesn't have much. Even though in real life navel fleets some frigates take helos and they are never called mini/tiny/micro/toy carrier.

However, I hope they will unveil a pocket carrier with 5-8 fighters.

You are right - per real life Corvettes really only had Helo''s but actually VTOL planes can land as well (and they played up on this VTOL landing with the Polaris).   I think adding a fighter or even a bomber like a Gladiator will allow many opportunities to the ship as oppose to the Hammerhead (that can't carry another ship).   For instance if an Eclipse can fit instance with its wings folded up (it may have to land side-wise - but CIG may not allow this - they talked about it before not being held down magnetically on the landing pad but we are still not sure) .... then it could really change the effectiveness for instance if a Polaris were to attack a pirate Hammerhead.   Of course the Polaris has its own torpedoes to do the job and may only fit a Gladiator (both of which could still do the job) - but just saying in a hypothetical fight.   So I don't think having just once extra ship that can land is negligible. 

As for a pocket carrier with 5-8 fighters that won't happen since it would out-strip an Idris.... but we could still see something like the Drake Kraken since it almost got the same amount of votes as the Vulture.

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If CIG needs more money badly, the pocket carrier can be their ace in the hole.  People will open wallets for it.  It makes for a more natural multicrew ship than the Javelin, because a significant amount of the player crew can park their fighters and fly missions out of it, as opposed to the Idris where only a few can do that.  If they don't introduce it to the pledge store, they should make it anyways as one of the first capital ships large orgs can work towards obtaining.  That said, they have a lot on their plate that they don't seem to be able to finish, so maybe this will take a while even if they do plan on it.

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Best choice for a Polaris will be a long range sensor platform ship or a stealth ship: the small ship goes out, scans down the big target (and checks the escort) so that polaris can jump in and unleash torpedo fury.

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@Boildown I think we already have the Pocket Carrier or Escort Carrier with the Pegasus (vs the Larger Bengal Carrier).  Only these larger Capital ships are controlled by NPCs.  The only reason why players are allowed to own the Javelin is that it is completely stripped down.

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They were the original specs, and the Bengal is more of dreadnaught, carrier hybrid and the Pegasus is listed ages ago as escort carrier, but her size it massive. 

I was merely 5-8 fighters like size and lack of firepower Gundam 00 Ptolemaios Untitled-33.jpg

CIG already  said that they would consider it. As I said "toy carrier" would be very weak for every thing, but fighters. As she would be a civilain carrier (think they'd meant private army, but still even civilain bulk ship transport would be good.

Anyway, Polaris only has one, I'm kinda leaning towards stealth ship or a terrapin, both forwards scouts really. However until they actually have a working scanning system we don't know how far away can the be not to be detected.

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@Devil Khan I already pushed for this in 2015 and we got it in the Hull E (look at the Hull thread).  Note that SC ships must (if they are combat fighters used from a larger ship) land in a hanger - they can't just "attach" to a ship and CIG gave many reasons for this like refueling / re-arming / have the ships not fly off going through a jump point, etc....    But they will allow for non-combat transport of fighters like with the Hull E (which should fit your needs) - and they can be deployed in space - just not in immediate combat (it takes awhile to launch them).

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We know that only Carrier ships like the Bengal, Pegasus, Javelin, Idris and Connies can launch and land ships in combat ...... but CR has mentioned we can haul ships within other ships cargo holds (if they fit).  Now the question is will CIG allow us to attach other ships to the cargo spindels on the Hull Ships to haul them from system to system?

 

There is a precedent for this in from my favorite Sci-Fi genre (series and movies) - Babylon 5  :wub:

 

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Actually I do know about, but they agreed to pure ship transport as no room for rearming and launching inside of the box frame.

I'm talk solely carrier with is capable of launching and landing and rearming refuelin. personlly i'd like two bay with with interconnecting center.

Back on topic. Still I'd like it if the polaris was a stealthy, not just looking, but in game as well.

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6 hours ago, Devil Khan said:

Back on topic. Still I'd like it if the polaris was a stealthy, not just looking, but in game as well.

Expecting stealth from a 100+ meter corvette designed to be an attack craft with capital components is impractical.

The most you could do to make it stealthy is powering down everything but essential systems and using it as a low-key landing pad. But even then you still have a massive 100+ meter cross section that will make you stand out.

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No, it does mean reduced siginature. Basically it's a dumbed down way of saying World of Warships have a range varing to different amounts. Surface detecting range. As NO CLOAKING stealth means reduced sig regardless of size. Real life subs work on stealth and eg B2 is a large bomber and flies on stealth. Stealth means that the have a lesser sig of smaller craft. No ship is invisible.

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I feel The Polaris might end up being a more practical carrier than the Idris (or the larger carrier that will be made for fund raising) for many situations. I feel it will be faster, and able to run with a smaller crew.  You can support a lot of fighters by allowing the fighters to refuel and rearm. It comes down to efficient use of players. A player in a turret is a waste, compared to one in a saber in my opinion. 

It has some serious advantages over the IDRIS

1. Requires less crew.

2.  Faster speed.

3. It's hanger flight path cant be blocked by other ships. The way you come in is the way you go out.  Unless the Idris is empty the ships have to turn around inside the ship to relaunch.

4. Less of a strategic imprint. It is cheaper to aquire, draws less attention, and will be less painful to lose.

I can imagine a series of polaris class ship with a skeleton crew operating more efficiently than a larger IDRIS. I can imagine it fielding 5 fighters with 7 players easier. 

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On 6/11/2018 at 10:36 AM, Scotterius said:

I feel The Polaris might end up being a more practical carrier than the Idris (or the larger carrier that will be made for fund raising) for many situations. I feel it will be faster, and able to run with a smaller crew.  You can support a lot of fighters by allowing the fighters to refuel and rearm. It comes down to efficient use of players. A player in a turret is a waste, compared to one in a saber in my opinion. 

It has some serious advantages over the IDRIS

1. Requires less crew.

2.  Faster speed.

3. It's hanger flight path cant be blocked by other ships. The way you come in is the way you go out.  Unless the Idris is empty the ships have to turn around inside the ship to relaunch.

4. Less of a strategic imprint. It is cheaper to aquire, draws less attention, and will be less painful to lose.

I can imagine a series of polaris class ship with a skeleton crew operating more efficiently than a larger IDRIS. I can imagine it fielding 5 fighters with 7 players easier. 

Lol.. You do realize you're comparing two ships that are in totally different classes.  You could use the same analogy for Polaris vs a Connie.  requires less crew, faster speed, both are not actual "carriers" but can carry a single ship,  and what the connie is around 1/3 the price.. :)    Personally I think the Polaris, While great to look at, is a waste.  It basically a glorified Uboat.   For its size and function (Corvette Uboat? it's obscured) it takes way to much crew/NPC,  Torpedo's are slow and are going to be crazy expensive. Minus the Cap sensors, even the components seem sub par.  Size M fuel tanks, and computers.. HAHAHAHAH.. shit is broken.  Hopefully CIG comes out with variants that ditch the torpedo bay.  Now a C&C polaris.. with C&C facilities, one large turret (S6? maybe Ion?), better computers, more fuel? in lieu of the the torpedo bay would be amazing.    

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UPDATE: The information below may have been incorrect as CIG has stated there will be CCUs available during the Anniversary Sale :)

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Noticed this on Spectrum and figured I would share as apparently CIG has decided to turn the Polaris into a limited ship from this day forward. As such it won't get any CCU options when it goes on sale again and can only be purchased outright.

 

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If you still have a CCU available in your Hangar section it should still remain available as you paid for it. I would assume that the same holds true for any melted Polaris in a BuyBack list. At least I would hope so as I still have one of those WarBond versions in mine. :P 

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38 minutes ago, AstroJak said:

Could that post be trolling reddit?

The language of the post doesn't indicate a trolling post (though anything is possible) + I think it make sense that CIG would do this.   It could even signal a price increase to over $1k for the Polaris........ and my guess....... now $1.75k for the Idris P........ and $3.5k for the Javelin........... (and we know the Hammerhead got recently increased as well) === this all leaves room for an expensive Kraken....... my guess is $2k if these other potential ship price increases does indeed happen......... if not...... I can see it between $1.5k and $1.25k

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15 hours ago, AstroJak said:

@Danakar Endeel  i just check my upgrades on buy back and all my Polaris ccus still remain available. I also just purchase a HH to polaris to make sure.

Could that post be trolling reddit?

AJ

Personally I doubt it is meant as a trolling attempt as I don't see any gain to be had by the message. As such I do believe that it is the intention of CIG to have the Polaris as a limited sale ship from now on with CCU options no longer available. Kinda like how one couldn't CCU to the Phoenix either when it was made available again during the flightready sale.

Now while I do believe that regular standalone Polaris corvettes that were melted and now in a BuyBack list will still be available to those who previously bought them (including the discounted Warbond versions) but I am unsure regarding any of the $25 Hammerhead>Polaris CCUs in said BuyBack list after the Hammerhead went up in price. My guess is that in addition of making the Polaris a limited ship CIG might also increase the price by at least $75-$100. 

In doing so it would also increase the cost of those CCUs remaining in people's BuyBack lists. So if you have any CCUs still in there that have benefited from the Hammerhead price increase you may wish to withdraw them so they are back to your My Hangar section. That way they would be secured and you might have quite the number of interested parties who would love to buy them from you. I already know of one individual who was trying to get one and even contacted me to ask if I might have one to spare.

I was actually wondering if CIG would make such a play as it seemed logical due to the price increase of the Hammerhead (now also classified as a corvette) because many people would otherwise just get a Hammerhead>Polaris CCU for only $25 themselves. I didn't expect them to make the ship itself a limited item though; I merely assumed that during the Anniversary Sale the Polaris would be increased by $75 in order to nullify any discount that the Hammerhead>Polaris CCUs currently have received.

UPDATE:

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