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So Reddit wants to bitch and moan about CR not coming out with any updates, people selling their accounts or refunding everything. They obviously didn't try very hard. Instead of releasing content on a normal website such as Youtube, like EVERYBODY else, they post to Vimeo. Now I'm sure most of us here know that, however, this site receives more hits than Reddit for SC news and content so I would like to share to everyone, the Church of Chris Roberts and where it all began:

https://vimeo.com/robertsspaceindustries

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Meh, just screw reddit.
Personally I give no single fuck about that troll and hate infested place of nothingness. The only reason I've got an account there is because I had the habit to create accounts.

It's good they're releasing a lot on vimeo instead of YouTube. Also the result that people are selling their accounts is great. We don't want such beeings anyway. Lets have less ignorant people using their accounts.

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What are the red ships at 4:55. Are those xian karthu-als? 

Very possibly they are early renders for xian ships. That is the original video, and the hornet is VASTLY different now.
Many of us have come to the conclusion its a repair ship for the hull of the Bengal Carrier they are Hangar'd in.
 

Meh, just screw reddit.
Personally I give no single fuck about that troll and hate infested place of nothingness. The only reason I've got an account there is because I had the habit to create accounts.

It's good they're releasing a lot on vimeo instead of YouTube. Also the result that people are selling their accounts is great. We don't want such beeings anyway. Lets have less ignorant people using their accounts.

I agree on almost every front.
Some interesting porn comes from reddit, and they give me transcripts of ATV episodes.

I like the extra e in beings, because bee's are also annoying as hell.

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Huh. People in this thread seem to have had a completely opposite experience from me. I abhor negativity and do my best to stay away from "toxic" communities... and I've always found the Star Citizen subreddit to be a welcoming, supportive and mostly even-headed place. If anything they're a little too quick to jump on articles about the game and call them clickbait when they're actually pretty unbiased. I've never found it a bad place to be for an SC fan, but then maybe I'm more able to just ignore content I'm not interested in... if I see a post that looks whiny/bitchy/etc, I just don't click on it. Haven't noticed many of them though, really.

 

Edit: I just looked at the front page of the subreddit to make sure I'm not just glossing over horrible things, and I don't see anything but positive support, community creations, and honest inquiries about the game. Maybe it's just cool to hate reddit?

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Huh. People in this thread seem to have had a completely opposite experience from me. I abhor negativity and do my best to stay away from "toxic" communities... and I've always found the Star Citizen subreddit to be a welcoming, supportive and mostly even-headed place. If anything they're a little too quick to jump on articles about the game and call them clickbait when they're actually pretty unbiased. I've never found it a bad place to be for an SC fan, but then maybe I'm more able to just ignore content I'm not interested in... if I see a post that looks whiny/bitchy/etc, I just don't click on it. Haven't noticed many of them though, really.

 

Edit: I just looked at the front page of the subreddit to make sure I'm not just glossing over horrible things, and I don't see anything but positive support, community creations, and honest inquiries about the game. Maybe it's just cool to hate reddit?

In my case it's simply because my fate is bound to negativity and thus my chances are too high to find nothing but negative posts.
Also I tend to be negative myself, but when I bitch about something I deliver valid arguments though. Unlike everyone else who tries to argue with my points turning him into a wannabe-positive-guy-without-arguments. And I hate such people into oblivion.

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I don't see the Reddit you are seeing. For the majority, I see posts supporting SC. Where there are valid complaints, I take note of these too. Where I see extremes on either side of the fence, I move on. The whole point of Reddit is to have open and free dialog, and that by default will mean you have trolls. I like to think I'm mature enough to discern good information from bad. I certainly prefer this, to a closed system, whereby information is filtered to my personal predilection.
Unfortunately, the internet as a whole is moving away from openness to force fed information. We can already see it happening in Google search returns for just one example of how algorithms are now being tailored to provide what "someone" predicts we want, rather than allowing us to make our own choices. But I digress, this discussion is for another time and place. :-)

 

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Yes there is some hate but in general I have a very positive view of the subreddit. It is far more friendly than other subreddits or the RSI forums. And some things you just can't prevent on the internet without excessive moderation which often is not the best tactics either.

And even on RSI forums which is a bad place to be I would still draw some lines between hate, whining and forumrage on one side and legitimate complaints and contructive criticism on the other side.

A few examples here:

Nerf X threads, buff my Y threads, why is my ship not better threads, CryEngine is a bad choice for SC threads, Saitek is a bad choice threads
These are imho good examples of very unneeded bitching especially at this stage in the game were no ship is supposed to be finished and the whole weapons, components and armor will be changed so going SUper Sayan about some tiny detail that sucks in current AC is really misbehaving. As for peoples hating on CryEngine or Saitek that is just unneeded as the reasons for their decisions are perfectly documented and can't be changed at this point anymore nor would it make any sense.

Cutlass thread
I see this as an exception from the usual bitching as the thread had some very constructive contributions like from Beer4TheBeerGod how to improve the Cutlass and what was wrong with it in earlier stages and today. We have even had improvements from CIG which probably came as a direct result. Yes there are peoples too in there whining about the Cutlass being multirole and not the best at everything but you just can't help those peoples so best to ignore :)

Controller Katamari thread
Even with this thread being the biggest on RSI and parts of it being a flamewar between Mouse and Joystick some of those peoples have matured from that catastrophe. In recent months we have seen very constructive contributions on what is wrong with the current arcade shooter gameplay in AC and how it can be improved.

The levelheadedness of some of the participants can for example be seen in the last Round Table discussion on TheBase radio here http://radio.starcitizenbase.com/controller-debate-on-scb-round-table/

For me as a result of the return of some peoples there to a more logic and unemotional debate I for example have recently affiliated with their Org which aims to long term promote the improvement of controller parity as originally pitched and currently tries to argue for removing Interactive Mode (IM) the WarThunderArcade/Freelancer mode that is currently largely responsible for AC gameplay being that of a dumbed down arcade shooter. Here more info and a good FAQ that explains the main reasoning in level-headed way https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/PARITY

So after all yes there is evil there that does not sleep both in subreddit and especially RSI but even in the latter not everything is a pile of poop theres some jewels inside but yes the stench is all over it. 

TLDR

but SC subreddit is nice 

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Compared to other sub-reddits, the SC one(which i rarely visit, I have to say) doesn't seem bad at all.

It's just the nature of the Internet: Inflammatory threads, negative posts and overall trolling just attract attention and stand out. Plus, the usual problem of satisfied people just staying away and waiting, so the ratio of negative vs positive attitude does not represnt the actual fanbase

That said, this journey is taking longer than many expected, and CIG has made some questionable decisions and bad/unclear communication on some important topics (and i put Vimeo among  that: I don't think that their channel is sufficiently visible or even advertised by CIG), so some people can be  understood in wanting to get off the project.

We  have almost a million backers, you just can't keep all of them happy. The initial "sales pitch" was sufficiently open-ended to make people see what they wanted to see, and the further the game is fleshed out, the further some people will se  it's not going to be what they though

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In my case it's simply because my fate is bound to negativity and thus my chances are too high to find nothing but negative posts.Also I tend to be negative myself, but when I bitch about something I deliver valid arguments though. Unlike everyone else who tries to argue with my points turning him into a wannabe-positive-guy-without-arguments. And I hate such people into oblivion.

 

Unlike everyone else who tries to argue with my points

 I LOL'd, cheers Wyvyrias, your crusade against positive people on the internet will hopefully continue to provide much amusement ;)

I tend to be one of those positive voices. When I handed over my cash, it was because of trust. I felt that this was a project that was worth supporting and that the people behind it had the experience, passion and vision to accomplish the goal. There have been hiccups along the way but they have been few and far between (at least the ones that weren't acknowledged as problems).

I remain aware that this game is in its alpha state. That there is a long time to go before the goal is reached and because of that I'm pleasantly surprised by the progress that is made. For example: I'm not expecting much to be released at CitizenCon, however if they surprise me then I'll be happy with that.

There are details that I would like to see changed, but as this is Alpha I see that as constructive feedback rather than whining. And much like Wyvyrias I dislike people making unsubstantiated points or reaching deep into the "theorycrafting" bag to try to support their claims. Work with the information you have, and you'll rarely be disappointed. In CIGs specific case, they have greatly improved on the claims they're making as they've progressed (largely) from hopes and dreams to claims based on experience. The information they release these days is much more realistic sounding than the information they released earlier on in the campaign, if you don't believe me just watch an early episode of wingmans hangar when people were going nuts over a crudely drawn wipeboard picture as opposed to now when they tend to show in-game footage with their explanations of mechanics.

But people are people everywhere, and the internet is full of entitlement, demanding and the desire to criticise anything. We're all aware of it, or should be and yet people are surprised that it still continues. I have no illusions about peoples actions or motivations.

So yes, for me I still maintain my trust in the people behind the product, and with good reason based on what has been achieved. No, they haven't released everything they work on, but given the amount of attention they get and the nature of peoples "hunger for failure" I understand why they are unwilling to release something prematurely.

I personally feel that people like to be proved right and hate to be disappointed. Maybe it's a defensive thing where it's simply easier to predict failure and then be pleasantly surprised than it is to hope for success and feel like a fool if everything isn't achieved. Look at all the click-bait that we're seeing with titles along the lines of "Why Star Citizen is going to fail" compared to positive news items. I think I've seen one "Why Star Citizen will succeed" in the past 2 months, compared to about 5 or 6 negative ones and I'm not even really looking for third party news.

Then again, maybe I just have the mindset where I'd rather see someone strive for greatness and not quite reach it, than strive for mediocrity and hit every target you already knew you could achieve. Progress is rarely fuelled by people who play it safe.

All of this being said, I have no intention of changing peoples minds, making people more reasonable, or disputing every tiny detail people will rage against. If you piss into the wind, you'll just get showered in your own piss. Plus I need some amusement ;)

TL;DR: You can "Shoot for the moon, if you miss you may still hit a star" or just wallow in the same mire as everyone else.

Ambition always comes with a struggle but the Vox Populi will always support the status quo.

 

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 I LOL'd, cheers Wyvyrias, your crusade against positive people on the internet will hopefully continue to provide much amusement ;)

It's not against positive people. It's against people who are trying to be positive but cannot deliver a single argument why they're doing that.
Like for certain games. One good example: Reign of Kings.
Codehatch utterly failed with StarForge before and it turned out as nothing but a scam. Even so there are still some certain beeings (yes, the annoying bees) supporting the long abandoned StarForge.
Some of those of course are also supporting RoK now. While everything seems to fail they just keep supporting them, although there's no way it's going to end up as something decent.

As for Star Citizen I would classify any serious negative feedback as unreasonable. We know CR's past so we know he's capable of delivering something solid. Also the current content of SC is running better than almost all early access games and even better than certain AAA titles. You don't even have to spend a lot of money to get into the game. You simply CAN spend a ridiculous amount.

Anyway, my experience is telling me that:

Reddit tends to have a lot of unreasonable flame and many trolls.
The Steam forums are filled with useless trolls who can't deliver any arguments.
The RSI forums are something where I read i's toxic in many cases. But I'm not using them anyway. Reason? I'm fine with SCB.

So yeah, we can find some annoying people everywhere. But depending on it's size it's likely to have more. And since Reddit is huge we obviously will have a lot of trolls/flamers/spammers there. I simply don't go with mainstream stuff unless I personally like it. There's no reason to do that.

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We need a new ts channel where yelling is mandatory.   Unless you've over 1000 in sc.  You're a minority investor.

Over 9000*. Also, agreed.

Anyways, reading previous comments, I am assuming that people agree with the fact that a good solid fourth of the gaming net has derailed it's choo-choo train over Star Citizen. Like (once again) this thread on Sir Derick Snort by Massively OP, the comments section is filled with people whom either rail against star citizen for it's lack of deliverance, people whom rage about the lack of concrete evidence on where the funds are going, actual SC backers whom are thinking the rest of the internet are flat-out dicks, or people whom neither confirm nor deny their participation in the arguments.

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