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Recently there have been a rash of problems both within the SCB Marketplace and on Reddit, with a new scammer (or group of scammers), who are using multiple different (possibly stolen) identities, and various PayPal Business Accounts.

The scammer typically operates by contacting people who have posted in the Marketplace under the "Want To Buy" section.  Once the scammer has identified a likely target they contact them via PM with an offer for the exact ship that was being asked for at either just below Market Price, or just above.  This scammer (or group of scammers) has been identified several times, but continues to reappear with a new identity, but using a similar M.O.

Things to watch out for:

  1. Relatively new accounts that were created within the last week, and have little (or no) other post count or transaction history.
  2. False-reputation purposed sale topics. In order to make it look like they have reputation, scammers sometimes create fake sale topics and comment on it using an alt account. Sometimes you can detect these by looking at the time interval between the comments, or if the sale was finished very quickly. 
  3. The Use of PayPal Business Accounts.
  4. Quick responses to new "Want To Buy" posts, that miraculously happen to have the exact ship desired or that offer terms that seem almost "too good to be true" (if it seems "too good to be true" it probably is).
  5. Terms of Service used in the transaction, that are written in such a way as to attempt to get the potential buyer to acknowledge that sending payment constitutes having already received the desired digital good(s).
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Added by Rellim:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_trades/wiki/blacklist 
Reddit's blacklist including paypal email accounts to look out for. 

--- paypal removed the verified paypal account check method ---

 

Edited by Rellim
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They're also:

- Quick to take communications to programs that either utilize VOIP or have poor chat logging systems (Steam),

- Happy to accept non-refundable forms of payment (steam wallet, cs:go, amazon giftcards),

- Quick to lower their offer if the buyer shows signs of backing out ("oh, well it need it gone today, I'll knock off $100"),

- Likely to refuse the use of middlemen.

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I've made a few transactions on Paypal, talked to sellers on Skype, Here's one scammer:  

Skype Name: sky.boost;

from: Mississauga, Canada.   Have quite a few contact on Skype;

Use a business Paypal account: VirtualProductions;

Name: Leo Fisher;

Email Used: virtualproductions12@gmail.com.

 

Buyer beware!

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^I don't think that's a place to list scammers. Rather one to list what they do.

Btw they also tend to have weird names combined with random numbers.
Many of those guys are really uncreative.

World would be a better place if we are able to name them, all scammer using Paypal got have something wrong in their head. If Paypal decided to press charges, they are going away for good. Don't you have to use your ID and bank account to register? For business it needs business number to confirm. I've no idea how they are doing this.

 

I possibly have a few more list later on.

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World would be a better place if we are able to name them, all scammer using Paypal got have something wrong in their head. If Paypal decided to press charges, they are going away for good. Don't you have to use your ID and bank account to register? For business it needs business number to confirm. I've no idea how they are doing this.

You still can create a PayPal account without leaving a bank account. Also you still can use it to send and receive money. Since there's no bank account linked you can't start with sending money. But you don't need that for scamming anyway because you just want to receive money.

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You still can create a PayPal account without leaving a bank account. Also you still can use it to send and receive money. Since there's no bank account linked you can't start with sending money. But you don't need that for scamming anyway because you just want to receive money.

Cannot get a verified account without tying it to a bank. If you end up buying from an unverified account, then you're just plain...Durrrrrrrrrr

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That's not the point. It is possible to use such accounts. And without a doubt there are hopeless "people" who wouldn't mind that.

The point actually is that people on markets can either exhibit smart or stupid behaviors. We have done as much as is humanly possible to provide info, guides, warnings, and PSAs to the community and market to minimize the impact of these poor choices.  Unfortunately, people don't always follow them, and that is when my inbox explodes with messages about a scammer. We take care of them when they occur (pre-empt if possible) and remind users to follow prudent habits; one of those habits happens to be making sure an acct from paypal is verified. :)

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Btw @Gallitin did you ever considered to set a limitations for new accounts?
Something like "You have to be a member for at least 1 week before you can post"-limit in the marketplace.
It's quite tiresome to see people creating accounts for quick scams (like the one in the link above).

I think that will be a bother for every scammer. Sure, it's no solid solution. But it will discourage a lot of scammers on a really simple way.

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1 hour ago, Gustav.Henrik said:

I wonder this too since I'm going to sell some ships I don't need and would like to use this marketplace so I don't have to pay middleman fees.

this what i got from chim ;)

 

Generally if you do a paypal verification search for the user's email it will show as a business or personal account. Another way is when an invoice is sent it shows as from a business account.

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According to PayPal;
" When it comes to digital goods, there isn’t any buyer or seller protection on them. This is the same for any virtual item purchased. Due to this you won’t be able to open a case though the PayPal system. "
 

So if you get scammed they don't give a FK. They don't offer buyer/seller protection so it's out of their hands you get scammed it's your fault. This is mainly why I'm very surprised people are actually buying such expensive ships. It wouldn't be that hard to Photoshop a jav/idris to show you owning it then you get a 1-2k windfall. Just saying takes balls of steel  if you ask me to buy on the grey market.

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On 8/19/2015 at 6:55 PM, Chimaera said:

There are some "verified accounts" (especially business ones) that are being used by scammers.

I just tried to verify a buyer, with PP and PP has changed their rules and no longer reveal any information about the perspective buyer on line. What they do, is give you a special code that you need to call in with and verbally confirm that the email address is linked to a verified PP acct. This is bullshit in my opinion... the PP rep could only confirm that the email is  verified  but wont tell you "since when" and she claims its new rules to protect the identify of the buyer!!! I was also told, that as the seller i'm protected against fraud... yeah right but these scammers are a lot smarter than PP and i think it just makes selling more of a leap of faith than anything close to professional.

AJ

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@Karmaslap, there are a lot of really good middlemen but i dont think they can discover any more information than you or I. They just know the risks better and how to retrieve this money if things go sideways... but at a cost.

The best way to verify PP acct holders was to utilize the PP link for this purpose. now its just one more step and sitting on the phone... PP doesn't even have a special number of automated selection to make the process easy for sellers.

AJ

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13 hours ago, AstroJak said:

I just tried to verify a buyer, with PP and PP has changed their rules and no longer reveal any information about the perspective buyer on line. What they do, is give you a special code that you need to call in with and verbally confirm that the email address is linked to a verified PP acct. This is bullshit in my opinion... the PP rep could only confirm that the email is  verified  but wont tell you "since when" and she claims its new rules to protect the identify of the buyer!!! I was also told, that as the seller i'm protected against fraud... yeah right but these scammers are a lot smarter than PP and i think it just makes selling more of a leap of faith than anything close to professional.

AJ

We have been aware of this change for some time now, but there is little to be done on this matter. The reason for the PSA is that there were people actually using VERIFIED Business accounts (as in they came up as verified businesses when the buyer or seller saw it on an invoice). This is a new step for scammers in that there appears to be a desire to try to scam so much that they're willing to go the extra steps to get a business verification in order to seem "legitimate".

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