Jump to content
VoA

MISC Starfarer Gemini

Recommended Posts

On 13-12-2016 at 11:27 PM, Booster Terrik said:

Yeah a ship full of combustible material really needs that many torpedos to kill ..... I am sure Tankers going around Somalia feel a lot safer knowing that nothing can hurt them ;) I hope CIG does something to container damage states so they actually blow up when they carry something combustible. Call me a sucker for realism but a ship carrying rocket fuel or munitions should probably blow up when a torpedo hits one of the containers :lol:

As I recall the Starfarer will be mainly harvesting hydrogen. Hydrogen won't do anything without oxygen. So in the vacuum of space it wouldn't do anything at all, but in an oxygen atmosphere you would get a massive explosion. :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 hours ago, Danakar Endeel said:

As I recall the Starfarer will be mainly harvesting hydrogen. Hydrogen won't do anything without oxygen. So in the vacuum of space it wouldn't do anything at all, but in an oxygen atmosphere you would get a massive explosion. :D

And what do you think will happen when a hydrogen container on a starfarer ruptures and the hydrogen mixes with the oxygen from the ruptured hull? Usually any ship that carries humans is pressurized with breathable gas that contains oxygen and a torp will most likely also cause an oxygen leak in the hull somewhere ;)

On a side note : wtf would a ship only need hydrogen for fuel? AFAIK usually rocket engines use a mix of hydrogen gas and oxygen to work and you can't use only hydrogen for propulsion yet Chris only talks about hydrogen ...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, Booster Terrik said:

And what do you think will happen when a hydrogen container on a starfarer ruptures and the hydrogen mixes with the oxygen from the ruptured hull? Usually any ship that carries humans is pressurized with breathable gas that contains oxygen and a torp will most likely also cause an oxygen leak in the hull somewhere ;)

On a side note : wtf would a ship only need hydrogen for fuel? AFAIK usually rocket engines use a mix of hydrogen gas and oxygen to work and you can't use only hydrogen for propulsion yet Chris only talks about hydrogen ...

I fear any trace oxygen leaking from a ruptured hull would not have the required ratio for the hydrogen to combust in a vacuum. So unless the hydrogen is already mixed with oxygen inside the storage tanks it would simply leak out into space with no cool explosions at all :(

As to only needing hydrogen for fuel I have no clue what the devs were smoking to be honest as that part never made much sense to me as we'd still be missing an oxidizer.

Then again I'm betting CIG will just ignore science and go all Hollywood with Starfarers blowing up in spectacular explosions! :P

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You know, one thing I see happening is large battles using only the inf/titans. It would be pretty cool treating the Gemini variant as the military place EG Galaxy plane, however neither are in a rush as the PU system isn't complete, they still need to work out the player limit per instance. You could use it as a cargo hauler but i don't think it is the best.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The starfarer Gemini is all at once:

* an armored ship

* a descent firepower platform

* a liquid hauler

* a cargo hauler

* "small" crew requirement

 

Basically it is the monster baby of the C130, AC130 and refueller.

 

you can:

* support ground operations:

- bikes and rovers in the cargo bay

- load of marines can be deployed

- loading/unloading ramp is covered by 2 badass turrets with twin S4 canons

- once ground troops deployed, bring hellfire from above (missiles/turrets). be an A10, be the AC130 of the space :D

 

* support space operations:

- refuel

- haul spare parts

- enough firesupport to hurt but not to much and therefore it won't be one of the primary target.

 

* do your trade runs and print money from the stars

- who is gonna attack an heavy military transport ship when he has other choices?

 

=> This is my daily ship, from day #1

give him a medical bay and i'm set

 

 

tradeoff for all of those assets?

a poor internal design.

 

 

OK i signed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Amy Babe said:

The starfarer Gemini is all at once:

* an armored ship

* a descent firepower platform

* a liquid hauler

* a cargo hauler

* "small" crew requirement

Not to nitpick but I think the ability to harvest said fuel should be a prominent bullet point.  I could see a starfarer being the core component of nomadic tribes of raiders. (Like the smokers in waterworld).

There are not many ships that could be considered a harvester with some bite.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

She's a frigging Refueler. I'd never sanely use it as a frontline or leave her on her own. Two Turrets limited rear visibility, Top BFG is too slow to track fighters, again limited range at left and right and rear. Two Gimbals are under one person's control and the stupidity have them put well back away from the wider view range. Missiles mean no in space refueling, but they are forward facing. atm they standard Starfarer has the same armor as the Star G. Also there is nothing special  that a regular starfarer could get. The Starfarer moves so bloody slow and trying to warp will take a lot longer than atm it's just a placeholder they all really jump at the same speed.

Quote

- who is gonna attack an heavy military transport ship when he has other choices?

I'd plan to always send security when it is part of a joint op.

Forget the putting the P-*2 as her body guards inside her hold they will take too long for any effectiveness.

Basically She is "in the rear with the gear" FOB.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, VoA said:

AOyxANh.png

that's interesting since it goes counter to what is posted on the new matrix, " The listed Cargo Capacity is only for the dedicated Cargo Room and does not account for the extra space available from the bulk cargo pods. " thought it does make more sense.

either way the ship definitely looks awesome, and i plan to pick one up if only for my own fueling needs xD

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

From the moment the Star-G was flightready it had 6 fuel pods. Yet now Matt thinks it's okay to simply yank 2 pods off?

The interior cargo space was supposed to be reduced (by 25%) due to larger bulkheads and changes to the internals (all finished completely by Aegis). But 'Oh, just remove 2 fuelpods and call it a day' feels very minimal effort to me. Especially when the current Star-G (repainted Starfarer) isn't even what CIG sold to people. They were supposed to be completely different where the basic frame was to be completely built out by Aegis. More like a complete overhaul instead of a quick coat of paint and a missilepod.

Now giving the Star-G 6 armored fuelpods that can't carry as much fuel as the regular versions due to the reinforced armor would be perfectly fine and reasonable, but removing 2 entire pod mounts and call it 'balance' isn't what I'd call a proper way to fix it.

Sounds just like the other minimal effort move of taking a regular Starfarer, giving it a 5-minute paintjob, and call it a Gemini.

  • Less interior cargo capacity
  • Lower maneuverability
  • Produced in significantly lower numbers (=longer insurance wait times?)

Those were the main drawbacks of the Aegis Star-G compared to the regular MISC Starfarer. Matt would do well to read up on the Q&As as I'm still waiting on my AEGIS Star-G. <_<

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14710-Starfarer-Q-A-Part-1

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14715-Starfarer-Q-A-Part-2

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14716-Starfarer-Q-A-Part-3

 

Another dev (who is actually working on the ship) already had to straighten out what Matt wrote earlier.

Star-G-Mattbullshit.thumb.png.52b2065239b24078bc5342fcbcfe11d3.png

 

Sounds like another case where CIG wrote something while doing something else entirely afterwards. And then they tell us to be careful on choosing ships because "Choices matter"? How can we make an informed decision when they just pull the 'Subject To Change' card whenever they feel like it??! :wacko:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Similar Content

    • By D0lph1N
      Hello, Citizens! And welcome to 🐬 D0lph1N's Mini Mart 🐬  !
      Terms & Conditions
      Buyer must be PayPal verified. Please leave a comment before PMing!  Then send me PM containing ship name, your PayPal email and currency of invoice (USD or EUR).  Ship will be sent as a gift to the payer's PayPal email. If you're buying it to gift someone else, simply forward the letter to his email.  Claimed gift (after purchase) will be bounded to your account. Due to CIG gifting limitations I do not issue refunds once delivery has been successfully completed.  All prices include PayPal fees.  RSI Credits accepted at 75% rate for full or partial payment.  My timezone is GMT+3, so it could take a while before I'll reply.   
      💰 Special Offers
      Ship Insurance   Original/CCU'd   Price, USD   Price, EUR   Available? Nox - Warbond LTI Original $50 €46 Yes Nox Kue - Warbond LTI Original $50 €46 Yes
      🚀 Standalone LTI ships:
      Bold-marked ships currently are not available in RSI store, but you still can buy it here.
       
      Ship                                                 Type     Insurance     Price, USD     Price, EUR   Polaris Original LTI $846 €770 600i Explorer Original LTI $492 €448 600i Explorer CCU'd LTI $435 €397 Prowler Original LTI $482 €439 600i Touring Original LTI $455 €415 600i Touring CCU'd LTI $400 €365 Genesis CCU'd LTI $450 €410 Consellation Phoenix Original 4YI $424 €386 Carrack CCU'd LTI $387 €352 Crucible CCU'd LTI $387 €352 Hull D CCU'd LTI $387 €352 Endeavor CCU'd LTI $387 €352 Reclaimer CCU'd LTI $387 €352 Merchantman CCU'd LTI $350 €319 Starfarer Gemini CCU'd LTI $376 €342 Starfarer CCU'd LTI $334 €304 Caterpillar CCU'd LTI $329 €299 Vanguard Harbinger CCU'd LTI $313 €285 Retaliator Bomber CCU'd LTI $307 €280 Constellation Aquila CCU'd LTI $297 €270 Vanguard Sentinel CCU'd LTI $292 €265 Vanguard Warden Original 3YI $297 €270 Vanguard Warden CCU'd LTI $276 €251 Redeemer CCU'd LTI $276 €251 Vanguard Hoplite Original LTI $270 €246 Vanguard Hoplite CCU'd LTI $249 €227 Constellation Andromeda CCU'd LTI $244 €222 Hull C CCU'd LTI $223 €203 Terrapin Original LTI $239 €217 Terrapin CCU'd LTI $218 €198 Sabre Comet Original LTI $218 €198 Sabre Comet CCU'd LTI $202 €184 F7C-M Super Hornet CCU'd LTI $181 €165 Hornet Wildfire Original LTI $207 €188 Hornet Wildfire CCU'd LTI $191 €174 Sabre CCU'd LTI $186 €169 Khartu-Al CCU'd LTI $186 €169 Gladiator CCU'd LTI $181 €164 Freelancer MIS CCU'd LTI $181 €164 Cutlass Blue CCU'd LTI $170 €155 Constellation Taurus CCU'd LTI $165 €150 Retaliator Base CCU'd LTI $165 €150 Freelancer MAX CCU'd LTI $154 €140 Prospector CCU'd LTI $154 €140 F7C-R Hornet Tracker CCU'd LTI $154 €140 Razor Original LTI $165 €150 Razor CCU'd LTI $149 €136 F7C-S Hornet Ghost CCU'd LTI $138 €126 350R CCU'd LTI $138 €126 Freelancer Dur CCU'd LTI $138 €126 Cutlass Red CCU'd LTI $133 €121 Gladius Valiant Original LTI $138 €126 Gladius Valiant CCU'd LTI $122 €111 Buccaneer CCU'd LTI $122 €111 F7C Hornet CCU'd LTI $122 €111 Freelancer CCU'd LTI $122 €111 M50 CCU'd LTI $112 €102 Cutlass Black CCU'd LTI $112 €102 Hull B CCU'd LTI $107 €97 Gladius CCU'd LTI $101 €92 Herald CCU'd LTI $96 €87 Avenger Warlock CCU'd LTI $96 €87 Reliant News Van CCU'd LTI $96 €87 Avenger Titan Renegade Original LTI $101 €92 Avenger Titan Renegade CCU'd LTI $85 €78 Reliant Sen (Researcher) CCU'd LTI $85 €78 325a CCU'd LTI $80 €73 Reliant Kore CCU'd LTI $75 €68 Reliant Skirmisher CCU'd LTI $75 €68 315p CCU'd LTI $75 €68 Hull A CCU'd LTI $70 €63 Avenger Stalker CCU'd LTI $70 €63 300i CCU'd LTI $64 €59 Mustang Gamma CCU'd LTI $64 €59 85x Original LTI $64 €59 85x CCU'd LTI $59 €54 Avenger Titan CCU'd LTI $59 €54 Nox Original LTI $54 €49 Nox Kue Original LTI $54 €49 Dragonfly Black Original LTI $54 €49 Dragonfly Yellowjacket Original LTI $54 €49 MPUV Cargo Original LTI $48 €44
      🚗 Ground vehicles
      Name                                                    Item type        Insurance         Price, USD         Price, EUR     Ursa Rover Original Vehicle - $64 €59 Ground Vehicle Pack Original Vehicle Pack - $69 €63 Tumbril Cyclone - Warbond Original Vehicle LTI $54 €49 Tumbril Cyclone Original Vehicle LTI $64 €59 Tumbril Cyclone TR Original Vehicle LTI $74 €68 Tumbril Cyclone TR CCU'd Vehicle LTI $69 €63 Tumbril Cyclone RC Original Vehicle LTI $74 €68 Tumbril Cyclone RC CCU'd Vehicle LTI $69 €63 Tumbril Cyclone RN Original Vehicle LTI $74 €68 Tumbril Cyclone RN CCU'd Vehicle LTI $69 €63 Tumbril Cyclone AA Original Vehicle LTI $90 €82 Tumbril Cyclone AA CCU'd Vehicle LTI $85 €78 Cyclone to Cyclone TR Upgrade Vehicle Upgrade - $15 €14 Cyclone to Cyclone RC Upgrade Vehicle Upgrade - $15 €14 Cyclone to Cyclone RN Upgrade Vehicle Upgrade - $15 €14 Cyclone to Cyclone AA Upgrade Vehicle Upgrade - $35 €32  

       🎁 Game packages (Star Citizen + Squadron 42):
      Package                                                                                                                                                 Insurance         Price, USD         Price, EUR Package - 315p 4m $80 €73 Package - Avenger 6m $80 €73 Package - 325a 4m $85 €78 Package - Freelancer 6m $133 €121 [Package - F7C-M Super Hornet]() 6m $191 €174 Package - Constellation Taurus - Digital 6m $212 €193 Package - UEE Exploration Pack - LTI (Carrack, Terrapin, Dragonfly, SC, SQ42, VFG Industrial) LTI $575 €524  
      🛠 Add-ons, BUKs, hangar decorations & other stuff - TBD
      🔧 Ship upgrades:
      Target ship                      Base ship                                Price, USD         Price, EUR     Buccaneer Cutlass Black $20 €18 Carrack Starfarer Gemini $20 €18 Carrack Starfarer $67 €61 Carrack Constellation Aquila $95 €86 Caterpillar Retaliator Bomber $35 €32 Crucible Constellation Aquila $95 €86 Crucible Starfarer Gemini $20 €18 Dragonfly Yellowjacket Mustang Alpha $15 €14 Freelancer MIS Taurus $25 €23 Gladiator Taurus $25 €23 Herald 325a $25 €23 Hull C Taurus $70 €63 Khartu-Al Freelancer MAX $40 €36 Merchantman Constellation Andromeda $150 €135 Origin M50 Gladius $20 €18 Prospector Hornet Ghost $25 €23 Redeemer Constellation Andromeda $40 €36 Retaliator Base Freelancer MAX $20 €18 Retaliator Bomber Redeemer $40 €36 Retaliator Bomber Vanguard Sentinel $20 €18 Sabre Gladiator $15 €14 Sabre Taurus $35 €32 Starfarer Gemini Constellation Aquila $85 €77 Super Hornet Taurus $45 €41 Terrapin Khartu-Al $40 €36 Terrapin Taurus $62 €56 Vanguard Hoplite Constellation Taurus $95 €86 Vanguard Sentinel Vanguard Warden $25 €23 Vanguard Warden Constellation Andromeda $40 €36 Warlock 325a $27 €25  
    • By Reavern
      I'm interested in making some room in my Hangar and sell some of my spare Buy Back Pledges. All ships have LTI unless indicated "Non-LTI". If you need more info about the ships PM me and I'll respond as soon as I can. I'm a long-time SCB Forum member and Imperium member, and have 100% positive rep for ship sales.
      Notes:
      Contact me via PM. Transactions through PayPal. (Verified PayPal only) All reasonable offers considered -- including trading LTI game packages. Buyer covers PayPal fees. Buyer sends payment first; I will in turn gift the ship to the buyer's RSI account. Remember to include your RSI handle and email address in PM.  
      Hangar:
      Reliant Kore (mini-hauler) LTI ---- SOLD OUT Reliant Mini-Hauler to Reliant Skirmish Upgrade = $25 Drake Herald LTI = $115 USD F7C Hornet LTI = $125 USD F7A Military Hornet upgrade ---- SOLD OUT Esperia Glaive LTI = $550 USD ---- SOLD OUT Hangar
      Buy Back pledges:
      P-72 Archimedes LTI = $45 Reliant Mini-Hauler to Reliant Researcher Upgrade = $35 USD MPUV Cargo LTI = $40 MPUV Personnel LTI = $45 Dragonfly LTI - Black = $45 Dragonfly LTI - Yellowjacket = $55 Origin 85X LTI = $60 Avenger Titan LTI = $65 Avenger Titan Renegade LTI = $85 Mustang Alpha to Delta Upgrade = $45 USD Freelancer (standard) LTI ---- SOLD OUT Gladius LTI = $110 LTI Buccaneer LTI = $140 USD 350r LTI = $130 USD Gladius Valiant LTI = $125 USD MISC Razor LTI = $150 USD Prospector LTI = $165 USD Retaliator Base Anniversary (48 month Ins.) = $165 USD Retaliator Base LTI ---- SOLD OUT Gladiator LTI = $175 USD Super Hornet = $180 USD Hornet Wildfire LTI = $185 USD Anvil Hurricane LTI = $190 USD Sabre Comet LTI = $195 USD Super Hornet Game Package = $195 USD Constellation Andromeda to Constellation Phoenix Upgrade ---- SOLD OUT Terrapin LTI = $220 USD Hull C LTI = $230 USD Redeemer LTI standalone ship = $270 USD Redeemer LTI game package = $285 USD Vanguard Hoplite LTI = $245 USD Vanguard Warden LTI = $270 USD Starfarer Gemini LTI = $325 USD Retaliator Heavy Bomber LTI ---- SOLD OUT Caterpillar Anniversary (48 month Ins) = $325 USD Banu Merchantmant Anniversary (48 month Ins) = $325 USD Orion LTI = $370 USD Carrack LTI = $390 USD Reclaimer Anniversary (48 month Ins.) = $380 USD Hull D LTI = $425 USD 890 Jump LTI = $800 USD ---- SOLD OUT Polaris LTI = $850 USD
    • By Toxsic
      Hi all,  Looking to sell my account and ARMADA package with LTI.  Will be via paypal of course and will use escrow.com if you are concerned if you cover costs.
      Also includes a token for a buyback of a JUMP 890 with LTI.
      Looking to move this along.  
      Thanks,
      T.





    • By J. Coren
      In the wee hours of the morning, myself and @Norem decided we'd have a bit of fun pushing the limits of the PTU 2.6.0k.
      After hours of trying to fit a Merlin into a Caterpillar with varying degrees of explosive failure, Norem decided to grab a Starfarer and attempt to carry the intrepid little Merlin to places never traversed by its kind and do battle with villainous pirates, for science!
      Credit to @Norem for staying patient and willing to go along with this crazy little venture.
    • By TRON
      WTS 2 x Starfarer - LTI Standalone Ships $250 each - Including all paypal fee's.
      -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Life Time Insurance
      Starfarer Stand Alone Ship
      Two Ships Available for sale
      Serious buyers only please as these are buybacks and I will not be purchasing them until I have a confirmed and trusted buyer
      $250 Each Including all paypal fee's
      PP Verified only
      Paypal email must match RSI account email
      Previous trade history / reputation gives priority
      -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      All trades are 100% safe as I have dealt with hundreds of trades and sales as well as my free LTI service back in 2013 and onwards. Trusted with proof of dealing with thousands of dollars worth of ships in the past!
      STAR-ZJHZ-HB2Y feel free to use my recruitment code when creating your Star Citizen account
      -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
×