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      Is immersion, and are haptics, still relevant?

      Sony has recently revealed their new controller... and it looks like they've replaced the usual rumble pad with actual haptics and force feedback. In their blog post, Sony detailed the "variety of powerful sensations" haptic feedback can bring to gameplay, like "the slow grittiness of driving a car through mud." Haptic feedback is the same technology behind the Nintendo Switch's HD rumble and we know the Xbox Series X controller will make use of it as well.
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      So with this possibly becoming something that will be developed for and supported again, the big question is; Is it still relevant? And how would we want it to be implemented?
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      Is this even relevant enough for people to notice?
      I look forward to your comments, if any.
       
    • By The Avro Arrow
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    • By Donut
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    • By Adoulin
      Hello!
       
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      So I thought It would be nice to get some feedback on what I could add/remove and so on. Thanks! <3
       
      **Still a WIP**

       
      The idea is to open up the possibility of having an ATC for a ship which can have other ships land inside it. 
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      ATC
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      Distances & speeds have yet to be checked, currently just place holders.
      Also CIG might make something that kills this.
       
      Best Regards
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