Aegis Idris Frigate

[Stanelis]

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 If this is the one thing that you have in your hanger that doesn't have LTI, you're already making out like a bandit even if insurance costs are negligible like CIG has always said. 

We won't know that for sure until the system is actually implemented in the game. They also used to say the base hull of the ships would be cheap and what would be expensive would be the loadout. But when looking at the actual ingame cost of ships, it doesn't look like the idea held. 

However, they may come to realize that because the game can crash and ship can be blown up due to bugs, they really need to protect ships bought with real money to avoid an endless pit of drama once the game gets released (maybe that 72 month insurance flood during the sale is a step toward LTI for all ships bought in the cash shop). 

Additionally, I m not sure restricting LTI means something currently because of the amount of LTI tokens being exchanged then CCU'ed. If anything, it makes people less likely to spend money in CIG's shop and more on the grey market. 

[GRIZZ]

From: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/spectrum-dispatch/16895-Galactic-Guide-Kiel-System

[FoxChard]

I was quite partial to that image. I assume that is supposed to be the IAE main site on Kiel. Lots of little peoples wandering around the tarmac.

[Buckaroo]

3 hours ago, GRIZZ said:

From: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/spectrum-dispatch/16895-Galactic-Guide-Kiel-System

That's the hangar view inside the Bengal, right?  😂😂

[Scotterius]

Look at the Connie double parking. Sheesh....Connies.

[Darius Marx]

I just imagine what the kingship will be like.... 

[wfja]

Honestly, I really like the idea of the Idris-K upgrade kit. I'll probably be getting one.

The three-ship hangar was always a big draw as I imagined the Idris would be great as a force multiplier in skirmishes, or as an escort for a heavily laden mercantile vessel. I love the mental image of Imperium miners being raided, then suddenly saved as an Idris warps in and releases its fighters. My only concern (with the P, at least) was that the ship itself might not have the best weaponry for those kinds of fights.

Anti-ship missiles? Yes please! Automated turrets with solid tracking? Excellent! And a bad-ass laser for when you encounter a pesky mid-sized ship? Perfect.

Very happy with this addition.

[VoA]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/idris-update

STAFF

Zyloh-CIG@Zyloh-CIG

Idris Update

 

Today at 12:04 pm

Hi everyone,

We’ve received a lot of feedback surrounding the Idris Upgrade Kit that was made available in December, 2018, and wanted to take the time to offer a few clarifications.

Insurance
In the past, insurance was only made available to ship hulls. As we’ve progressed in the development of Star Citizen, we’re getting closer to having a need for a system to insure items as well. This is something that we’re still actively working on, so we don’t have full details to how this system will work just yet, but we’re eager to lock it all down and share that information with you in the future. I do however have an update on the Idris Upgrade Kit. As it currently stands, the kit shows that it has 72 months of insurance, which will be changing and retroactively updated to LTI in the very near future.

Upgrading your Idris-P
We received a lot of feedback surrounding the upgradeability of the Idris-P, and a desire for more information about if the Idris-P will be able to fully match an Idris-M via upgrading in-game. We can now confirm that we are planning to eventually add manufacturer shipyards (capital ship dealers) in-game which will help facilitate this conversion. For example, there will be an opportunity to take your Idris-P into a major authorized Aegis shipyard, where they can perform a conversion to an Idris-M for a substantial in-game fee. 

Idris Upgrade Kit Usability on Idris-M
In the same way that the Idris-P can use the railgun that is present on the Idris-M, the Idris-M can also make full use of the items included in the Upgrade Kit, should you desire to do so. This means that you’ll be able to attach the beam weapon and the missile turret to your Idris-M should you choose to do so. We encountered a few limitations to utilizing the full Upgrade Kit on the Idris-M, such as missing hardpoints for the 4x PDS turrets, but to facilitate these fitting, we will be adding those hardpoints to the Idris-M to make this functionality work.

[ChiefWarrant]

You beat me to it @VoA !!

[Devil Khan]

Really sad the missiles(torps?) aren't there in the Idris-P. They were there originally (front top and back bottom) shame they are gone (several years ago). 

That is not my question really. You see the Idris-M and Idris-P "were" meant to be the same ship, Just the Navy had a surplus and where/are selling them with just the bare bones and scaled down weapons. The Idris-K, has switched the front turret with (anti-fighter) missile launcher (only 2x 8 missiles). We know that the Idris has the main missile system (behind the front turret). What I want to know is it possible to mount Idris-P(K) the same missile system? Normally I would have assumed that it was possible. However, it means not just the misile rack, but it's entire re-arming and storage system as well.

The more and more time goes one the very different the Idris-P/K and Idris-M differ.   

[IceManZaroth™]

Hi Guys, I am still around and still a Avid Idris-M owner, have they even allowed you to spawn the idris in a hangar or other setting in the game yet or still waiting ??

 

I'm also now using a watermarked image since idiots have been using my images for there stupid plans on reddit

 

[LowZone]

Still waiting. Probably won't be hangar ready until after the release of SQ42. Although latest ISC featuring 3.8 gameplay mentioned the Idris as a placeholder for a mercenary mission...so, who knows? 

[ChiefWarrant]

Yeah @IceManZaroth™ I think they are definitely holding off so it’s a “new” experience for everyone during the Squadron 42 gameplay. 

[Metternich70]

On 2/8/2019 at 5:46 PM, Devil Khan said:

Really sad the missiles(torps?) aren't there in the Idris-P. They were there originally (front top and back bottom) shame they are gone (several years ago). 

That is not my question really. You see the Idris-M and Idris-P "were" meant to be the same ship, Just the Navy had a surplus and where/are selling them with just the bare bones and scaled down weapons. The Idris-K, has switched the front turret with (anti-fighter) missile launcher (only 2x 8 missiles). We know that the Idris has the main missile system (behind the front turret). What I want to know is it possible to mount Idris-P(K) the same missile system? Normally I would have assumed that it was possible. However, it means not just the misile rack, but it's entire re-arming and storage system as well.

The more and more time goes one the very different the Idris-P/K and Idris-M differ.   

I think that the subtle nerf of Idris P may be a preparation for the launch of another cap ship for a price 300-400 higher than Idris P to get some fresh money from CCUs from disgrunted P owners

[Boildown]

5 hours ago, Metternich70 said:

I think that the subtle nerf of Idris P may be a preparation for the launch of another cap ship for a price 300-400 higher than Idris P to get some fresh money from CCUs from disgrunted P owners

$15M Stretch Goal: Star Citizen will feature an additional ship class, the escort carrier.

I still think what people (whales) really want is to run their own aircraft (spacecraft) carrier.  The Drake one was a step in the right direction, but it wasn't military enough, and it doesn't enclose the ships.  The Idris was the best of limited options... but seriously, 2 or 3 Hornet sized fighters is too few.  If CIG wants to wring more money from whales, they should launch a full fledged pocket (not escort) carrier, where "pocket" is at least a dozen Hornets instead of 2 or 3.  Give it limited armament (anti-fighter turrets only, nothing ship to ship), but the ability to hold significantly larger ships than the Idris can hold.  Limit it to landing on planets with less than .25g gravity or less, and a price tag well north of the Javelin.  They'll sell a ton of them and instantly make whatever funding goals they set.

The problem with the Idris is it doesn't hold enough fighters to defend itself, let alone attack something else with just its short range craft.  It goes out of action if its one Gladiator (that I assume they have on board) goes out of commission.  Its CAP can only consist of one fighter at a time, because the other will be needed for alert status, or else the enemy just waits for them to be refueling before attacking.  To make a real life parallel, the Idris is a destroyer with a helicopter pad, not a legit carrier, even though its flight deck is central to the design.  Making a flight deck for a ship that only holds 3 ships just doesn't make sense.  And so, I think CIG still has the need and opportunity to sell us something to fill that gap.

Of course, whatever they decide to do has already been decided months ago at least.  If CIG reads this post for some reason, do this for next year.

[Gustav.Henrik]

Nobody else calling this guy with the fake Idris-M out. There was never ever an Idris-M sold in 2014 let alone in June 28, 2014. And In the case that your Idris M was bought on the 2nd hand market and gifted to you the "gift" button would not be present. So you utterly failed on fake Idris-M image.

The Idris-M was sold once ever on the old CIG Website the precedeed the old website the site that just replaced the Kickstarter page. And the Idris back then was nothing more than a text description for 1000 usd! It took about 10mins to sell out as per the description of a Idris-M buyer that had a think about buying it or not while feeding his cat during 10 minutes, when they were starting to sell out he decided to buy it!

[Zeabz]

On 11/12/2019 at 10:51 PM, Gustav.Henrik said:

Nobody else calling this guy with the fake Idris-M out. There was never ever an Idris-M sold in 2014 let alone in June 28, 2014. And In the case that your Idris M was bought on the 2nd hand market and gifted to you the "gift" button would not be present. So you utterly failed on fake Idris-M image.

The Idris-M was sold once ever on the old CIG Website the precedeed the old website the site that just replaced the Kickstarter page. And the Idris back then was nothing more than a text description for 1000 usd! It took about 10mins to sell out as per the description of a Idris-M buyer that had a think about buying it or not while feeding his cat during 10 minutes, when they were starting to sell out he decided to buy it!

Technically that's not accurate.. We have the ability re-gift ships..  you just have to melt and buy back the package with new funds.  Once re-purchased the package with then reflect new purchase date.

On a side note.. While the M is still listed @ $1,000 thus allowing it to be still gifted.  CIG has restricted the gifting of these ships now.  I assume, If you really wanted to buy or sell one you should still be able to if you asked concierge support to help.  

[Reavern]

On 11/11/2019 at 7:35 PM, Boildown said:

$15M Stretch Goal: Star Citizen will feature an additional ship class, the escort carrier.

I still think what people (whales) really want is to run their own aircraft (spacecraft) carrier.  The Drake one was a step in the right direction, but it wasn't military enough, and it doesn't enclose the ships.  The Idris was the best of limited options... but seriously, 2 or 3 Hornet sized fighters is too few.  If CIG wants to wring more money from whales, they should launch a full fledged pocket (not escort) carrier, where "pocket" is at least a dozen Hornets instead of 2 or 3.  Give it limited armament (anti-fighter turrets only, nothing ship to ship), but the ability to hold significantly larger ships than the Idris can hold.  Limit it to landing on planets with less than .25g gravity or less, and a price tag well north of the Javelin.  They'll sell a ton of them and instantly make whatever funding goals they set.

The problem with the Idris is it doesn't hold enough fighters to defend itself, let alone attack something else with just its short range craft.  It goes out of action if its one Gladiator (that I assume they have on board) goes out of commission.  Its CAP can only consist of one fighter at a time, because the other will be needed for alert status, or else the enemy just waits for them to be refueling before attacking.  To make a real life parallel, the Idris is a destroyer with a helicopter pad, not a legit carrier, even though its flight deck is central to the design.  Making a flight deck for a ship that only holds 3 ships just doesn't make sense.  And so, I think CIG still has the need and opportunity to sell us something to fill that gap.

Of course, whatever they decide to do has already been decided months ago at least.  If CIG reads this post for some reason, do this for next year.

I agree that space whales are eager, ready, and willing to spend their money on an aircraft carrier, like the Pegasus (or the Bengal). However, that doesn't mean that CIG should grant their self-indulgent wishes.

Firstly, there's no justification for player-owned aircraft carriers in the current state of the Alpha PU. CIG only recently added Mission Sharing in 3.7, which encourages players to team-up. But there aren't any epic missions that warrant the involvement of a cap ship, nevermind a player-owned Pegasus with squadrons of player-flown fighters and bombers. I would love it if there were missions like that in the APU, but sadly there aren't. CIG needs to create new content that warrants the inclusion of cap ships, then make those cap ships flyable. 

Second, if the Pegasus does become available, it should have to be earned in-game, not be made available in the Pledge Store to purchase for $$$. The Pegasus should be unlocked only after completing an epic mission chain for the UEE Navy. Or be the grand prize in a special SC community competition orchestrated by CIG,  with other cap ships as secondary prizes, and single-ships as tertiary prizes, etc.

Third, the Idris and Pegasus aren't high priority ships, nor should they be. Simply said, aircraft carriers are unnecessary because the APU is relatively small and every ship has a quantum drive and carries enough quantum fuel for multiple jumps. So what benefit are cap ships that ferry smaller ships through space?

I think CIG is on the right track with the current Roadmap. It's a combination of useful new gameplay features and quality of life enhancements. The cap ships aren't even on the SC Roadmap; they're on the SQ42 Roadmap, where they should be. After so many delays, I want SQ42 to be released in 2020 to prove to the naysayers and haters that CIG can deliver a real AAA game. After that, most of the pressure will be relieved and CIG can take their time on developing SC and getting it to the Beta stage. I think that's when cap ships like the Idris and Pegasus will fulfill a legitimate purpose in the PU.

[Gustav.Henrik]

Another thing to remember is that Capital ships will not be attainable by single players in the PU. They will be so expensive you will need an org of maybe 100 people use their Org bank account to buy one.

In the introduction lore to the Javelin it was an Org named "black cats mercenaries" that bought a Javelin as their organization flagship. Not a single in lore person buying it for his own use.

[IceManZaroth™]

On 11/13/2019 at 6:51 AM, Gustav.Henrik said:

Nobody else calling this guy with the fake Idris-M out. There was never ever an Idris-M sold in 2014 let alone in June 28, 2014. And In the case that your Idris M was bought on the 2nd hand market and gifted to you the "gift" button would not be present. So you utterly failed on fake Idris-M image.

The Idris-M was sold once ever on the old CIG Website the precedeed the old website the site that just replaced the Kickstarter page. And the Idris back then was nothing more than a text description for 1000 usd! It took about 10mins to sell out as per the description of a Idris-M buyer that had a think about buying it or not while feeding his cat during 10 minutes, when they were starting to sell out he decided to buy it!

Are you meaning me if so My name and creds here speak for themselves, my Idris-M is not a fake and I am the original buyer I can also provide something fakes cant ... the real proof

One Last Time for the Fake Sayers and the Doubters ... Now the mind boggles here but never mind the first video posting date the bottom one click you-tube at the bottom and check date month year of the post, no one keeps a fake up for 5+ years

 

[Boildown]

18 hours ago, Reavern said:

I agree that space whales are eager, ready, and willing to spend their money on an aircraft carrier, like the Pegasus (or the Bengal). However, that doesn't mean that CIG should grant their self-indulgent wishes.

The Pegasus is the name of the escort carrier class type? I almost think I knew that once, but I forgot it.

But anyways, what I said was for an heretofore unannounced _pocket_ carrier, not the escort carrier, I just linked it as an example of something they've promised to create and to emphasis that what I'm proposing is not only smaller than the full Bengal, but smaller than the escort carrier as well.  Yet still carries more than the Idris.

On 11/11/2019 at 7:35 PM, Boildown said:

a full fledged pocket (not escort) carrier,

Second, what I was proposing was a concept, not for them to immediately release it into the verse.  They can take their time with it, just as they are with the Idris and Javelin which were concepted half a decade or more ago, and of course only released into the verse when its appropriate.  I don't think that needs to be explicitly stated.

Third, lets not forget the whole premise on why they'd do this:

On 11/11/2019 at 7:35 PM, Boildown said:

If CIG wants to wring more money from whales, they should

I.e. CIG feels like they need more money than they're ordinarily going to bring in. This could be the case next year if Squadron 42 isn't going to be ready in 2020 without more staffing or infrastructure, or something along those lines. Of course the hope is that once Squadron 42 launches and is successful, their ongoing funding concerns will be over and they won't need to do this.

That said, I still think a pocket carrier more substantial than the Idris / Kraken yet significantly less substantial than an escort carrier (Pegasus?) is needed for all the reasons I outlayed that are flaws with the Idris. If they only make it earnable in the 'verse, that's just fine with me. But if CIG needs money, this to me is the most obvious need yet outstanding on the whale end of the spectrum.

[Buckaroo]

My two cents...

I don't think we need any player-owned capital carrier ships like the Pegasus; that ship is almost as big as the Bengal carrier if I remember correctly.  Those ships would be fleet/guild own-able only.  What I think would be better is if CIG sold a simple pocket carrier ship--about the size of the 600i and able to hold 1-2 light fighters or 1 medium/heavy fighter no bigger than the F8A.  The pocket carrier would have simple living quarters (beds, kitchen, bathroom), room for 4-6 people with 2 turrets and a pilot and co-pilot seat.  As it's main task is to carry another flyable ship from one place to the next, the pocket carrier would need to have similar quantum drive and fuel tanks to the 600i Explorer or C2 Hercules Starfarer.

With Quantum travel as it is today and assuming it stays the same, this pocket carrier would allow users to travel farther distances faster, find a landing spot and then hop into their single-seater ship they brought with them to fly different types of missions as required or that they want to fly.  When not carrying a single-seater, the pocket carrier could be a cargo hauler too, but that wouldn't be its primary role.

Bring it back to the Aegis Idris (what this thread is supposed to be all about), where the pocket carrier differs is it doesn't have nearly the capabilities to hold as many larger fighters, crew, or firepower.  The Idris is also really a military ship at its core while the pocket carrier is more for the casual traveler like someone today in an RV pulling their car/offroad vehicle behind them across the nation/world.

 

EDIT:  On another note, I wonder if the "Escort Carrier" mentioned for the $15 million goal is actually the Polaris ship concept.  I know it's labeled as a "Corvette", but it can hold a single-seater fighter and is armed to the teeth!

[Reavern]

8 hours ago, Gustav.Henrik said:

Another thing to remember is that Capital ships will not be attainable by single players in the PU. They will be so expensive you will need an org of maybe 100 people use their Org bank account to buy one.

It won't require a 100-member Org to purchase a cap ship in-game; it's just easier if players pool their creds together to purchase one.

I've seen screenshots from SC players who trade-grinded and got their wallets over 30 million aUECs -- and that's in the span of 3 months before the quarterly release reset. I've seen estimates that a Reclaimer will cost 50 million UECs, so I expect a Polaris Corvette will cost ~100 million UECs. That is attainable by a single, dedicated player.

However, cap ships will require more than one person to operate properly; therefore, Orgs are better suited to own and operate cap ships.

[Gustav.Henrik]

Allow me to laugh, lol. So, thanks. @Reavern current PU earning rates have absolutly Nothing to do with earning rates in the real game. Soloing a caterpillar nr1 is gonna get you killed asap. nr 2 filling a caterpillar with laranite is going to get you killed asap also because its so much money. Nr 3 there will be huge amounts of mechanics added to trading to make it tedious and take 100x longer to load up and sell (Cargo commodity timers, remember?).

 

Also again IzeManZaroth, another fake there was no Idris-M sold in 2014 how hard is that to understand. Idris-M's were sold previous to the 1st anniversary sale and then NEVER again. If you somehow got one in 2014 in any way shape or form it was with the Assistance of Customer Service but that is extremely unlikely. 

Nice jump/ screen switch from the obviously missing Buy button straight into a cart where it clearly says KICKSTARTER EXCLUSIVE on the Idris. In 2014 the only way to get an Idris-M was 1. through someone that already owned the KICKSTARTER EXCLUSIVE Idris-M via gifting or some Customer Service Shenanigan. 2. buying the 10k or 15k Packs.

[Reavern]

1 hour ago, Gustav.Henrik said:

Allow me to laugh, lol. So, thanks. @Reavern current PU earning rates have absolutly Nothing to do with earning rates in the real game. Soloing a caterpillar nr1 is gonna get you killed asap. nr 2 filling a caterpillar with laranite is going to get you killed asap also because its so much money. Nr 3 there will be huge amounts of mechanics added to trading to make it tedious and take 100x longer to load up and sell (Cargo commodity timers, remember?).

Allow me to laugh at your baseless and wrong assumptions. LOL!

PU earning rates aren't set in stone... because it's the ALPHA. Nothing is set in stone. A ship or weapon could be dominant for one release and nerfed in the next update. The earning rates could increase or decrease dramatically according to CIG's whims. The UEC ship prices could also change radically. There's no way to know with any certainty. The best we can ever do is use logic and the information currently available to make educated guesses.

I've seen evidence that SC players can grind out millions of aUECs in the span of a quarter, which means it's technically possible for a solo player to earn enough creds to buy a cap ship, such as the Polaris.

I've solo-ed my Caterpillar plenty of times and IME I died and lost my cargo far more often because of glitches than from enemy players attacking me. Therefore, solo-ing a Cat doesn't "get you killed ASAP" -- whatever that means (what, does the Caterpillar spontaneously blow up immediately after takeoff?).  Of course it's possible that your ship will be attacked; that's always the risk. Does that mean it's impossible to solo a freighter? NO! If it's difficult and dangerous, does that mean some players won't try to solo a freighter? NO! Players will try all sorts of things and sometimes they'll succeed and sometimes they'll fail. Your blanket statements about it being impossible to solo a Caterpillar are utterly meaningless.

The cargo commodity timers you mentioned are a stopgap solution to prevent traders from exploiting the current Alpha Economy model. CIG intends to implement a highly sophisticated Supply-&-Demand Economy System, wherein nothing magically appears out of thin air (i.e. generated by the game). Once that system is operational, there won't be commodity timers. Trade items will either be in stock or they won't be because player or NPC traders delivered them, or didn't. If there's a shortage, the value of those trade goods will increase and players will earn greater profits. If there's a surplus, the profit margin will shrink but there will be plenty of stock for traders to haul. Traders aren't going to be sitting around waiting for a timer to expire.

CIG is designing the PU for all types of players, not just Orgs. So if a player wants to try to earn enough creds to buy a cap ship, and then try to fly it solo, it's at least possible to do that, no matter what people like you "think".