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So I recently upgraded my pc to a SSD to run my OS off of. Its been about a month now since I have and I noticed today on boot, that it hung on the windows logo for a good 15 seconds before FINALLY getting to the welcome screen that lasted the normal 1-2 seconds..

 

Does anyone know what might be causing this?

 

I bought this drive: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7455478&CatId=5300

 

Since it was working perfectly fine before and suddenly has taken a shit, maybe its a hard ware issue?

 

If so can anyone take a look at that site and suggest a good SSD to run my OS and Star Citizen off of?

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Anyway, did you install the OS fresh or did you clone the start partition?

Every SSD manufacturer I know has some kind of diagnostic software which can also upgrade the firmware. Did you install this software and did you check for the latest firmware for the SSD?

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SSD's slow down when they get near full capacity. Make sure that you have at least 20% free space always, so that the firmware has scratch-space to use. Make sure you 'trim' the drive. If you don't have windows 8 this can be done using the software maverick mentioned. Make sure the SATA port the drive is plugged into supports 6Gb/s and that you use the cable that came with the drive. Older cords support 3Gb/s, and even the newer motherboards usually have a mix of 3Gb/s ports and newer 6Gb/s ports (mine are color coded) Check the bios that the drive port has 6Gb/s enabled if that is a toggle. Reboot a few times and see if it continues the hang. Sometimes windows does auto-updates that are installed/configured at next boot up. Sometimes there are multiple updates that are done one at a time, and it takes a few reboots. Finally there is a ton of software that can effect boot times. A lot of 'free' games & utilities install back ground tasks that start at boot for a variety of reasons, this includes auto-updaters, advertising pop-up generators, game DRM, and web browser monitors (for targeted advertising) that integrate into the network driver. Back up everything and try a fresh install of windows. It is not usual for an SSD to suddenly slow down for no reason when it is that new. They will degrade over time, but that should take years, especially since you did not buy a crap drive. If none of the suggestions in this thread work, contact kingston and ask about an RMA, it should still be under warranty. They will probably have you download their software and run a s.m.a.r.t. diagnostic on it.

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I just read on the german Amazon that Kingston changed the storage memory from Toshiba Toggle-NAND to cheap asynchronous Micron NAND, which makes the drive very slow compared to other SSDs. The name stayed the same. WTF Kingston? I thought you were trustworthy compared to Corsair?!?

 

Which firmware was originally on the drive? You should ba able to check this by looking at a white label on the packaging. If it says 506 it's bloody slow, what I read (firmware- and productionseries-issues).

 

€dit: Thx Weyoun, didn't think of the "nearly full SSD is slow" issue.

Trimming is integrated into Windows since Windows 7 or Vista, not sure, shouldn't be an issue.

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Yah my ssd has 150gb free. There is no information on what  driver it is...from my memory its 525+

 

But again, it was working perfectly fine up to this morning. I have not installed anything or done any file changes in weeks. And bam it just shits itself.

 

It does say it was manufactured in Taiwan :P

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Agree with all Weyoun has said, especially about capacity. I might add the question did your BIOS update or change and settings? For best performance settings need to be AHCI. Here's a link to a thread on Tom's Hardware http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-1999080/configure-bios-ssd-installation.html

 

I use Samsung EVO drives now because I like the Magician software. They are also good performers. Other drives may be a few bucks less, but this software allows cloning of your OS if the need ever arises to reinstall. There are other free and paid software solutions for migrating data but the magician suite just works. I bought a gaming laptop and cloned the OS onto an EVO SSD, then installed that as my boot drive and it worked flawlessly. It now boots in under 10 seconds. Unfortunately it will only work on Samsung drives.

 

Keep us posted as to your progress.

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I would download BurnIn (http://www.passmark.com/products/bit.htm) and run performance tests on the SSD.  I would also check your event log and see if there's a service/application that's hanging on startup.

 

I run a Samsung 840 and it runs like a champ.  I've had it up to 98% full at one point (thanks Fraps) and never noticed any performance issues.

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I read on a forum that your drive requires ATTO mode instead of AHCI for best speed. Samsung can go to 100% full because they are partitioned to only use ~85% stock, and have a 'raw' unpartitioned space that the firmware uses. Although you can change that with the software that comes with them. I love my samsung 840 drive though, never any problems, fast as hell, and they lead the pack on every benchmark I've seen.

 

I would check the event log as others have said, and if you can't find a software issue return the drive if you could and get a samsung, failing that RMA it the kingston for a replacement. It's crappy they swapped in an inferior components like that but kept the same label. That is what I like about samsung SSD, samsung makes their own flash (and makes flash for others) They keep the best for themselves and BIN the rest to 3rd parties from what I have heard. Did you TRIM? if it hasn't been TRIM'd the drive can't tell the difference between used and empty space. When you delete files it only deletes the files index, not the data. TRIM tells the drive what data is irrelevant and can be reused for later writes or are free for firmware temp area. SSD's don't work like normal drives where you write to specific locations, SSD's remap everything through a randomization filter to spread out wear, make them last longer, and preform faster. If your a tomshardware reader you probably already know that though.

 

I've also seen mentioned on forums also that 506 revision of your firmware sucks when I was searching around for your issue.

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I noticed there is Samsung 840 SSD's and Samsung 840 EVO's..... guessing the evo's are the crappier quality ones? Are they any good?

 

And I'm not to sure how to read the event log, seems like a bunch of nonsense to me.

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The EVO's are actually really good, I'd say the best buck for the performance

Samsung listed the differences here:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/about/overview.html

I own one for half a year now and the performance is still above advertised:

ef31f07c160eaf9d13e08b6ab27be8b6.png

So 530MB/s comes down to 4240 mbit/s, also known as the "poof" effect :)

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I noticed there is Samsung 840 SSD's and Samsung 840 EVO's..... guessing the evo's are the crappier quality ones? Are they any good?

 

And I'm not to sure how to read the event log, seems like a bunch of nonsense to me.

The EVOs are the cheaper ones, but with a really good price to value ratio.

 

Eventlog: If you just rightclick on the categories you can export them and attach them here. The interesting ones are "Application" and "System".

 

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well, first sort by date/time, then go through and look for the date/timestamp for when you started up your computer, find Kernal-General with the following description:

 

The operating system started at system time ‎2014‎-‎06‎-‎23T20:51:21.489844400Z.

 

of course the date/time will be different for you. That will be the first one generated.

 

next should be a Kernal-Boot with a description like:

There are 0x1 boot options on this system.

then Kernal-Boot

The bootmgr spent 0 ms waiting for user input.

then Kernal-Boot

The last shutdown's success status was true. The last boot's success status was true.

 

ect ect all within the same second.

 

look at the times for when the delay is.. your looking for a gap of more than 1 second. A few errors and warnings of things failing to load is fine.

 

for instance on my system I get Kernal-PnP:

The driver \Driver\WudfRd failed to load for the device SWD\WPDBUSENUM\{0884ea62-ec46-11e3-831a-806e6f6e6963}#000002AF5D700000.

 

but it doesn't cause a delay,

 

however the 8 second hang I currently am getting at boot is caused by this:

e1iexpress

The description for Event ID 27 from source e1iexpress cannot be found. Either the component that raises this event is not installed on your local computer or the installation is corrupted. You can install or repair the component on the local computer.

clicking onto details i get this:

- <System>
  <Provider Name="e1iexpress" />
  <EventID Qualifiers="40964">27</EventID>
  <Level>3</Level>
  <Task>0</Task>
  <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords>
  <TimeCreated SystemTime="2014-06-23T20:51:31.051044900Z" />
  <EventRecordID>535697</EventRecordID>
  <Channel>System</Channel>
  <Computer>Galactica</Computer>
  <Security />
  </System>
- <EventData>
  <Data />
  <Data>Intel® 82579V Gigabit Network Connection</Data>
  <Binary>0000040002003000000000001B0004A00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001B0004A0</Binary>
  </EventData>
  </Event>
 
So its an issue with my intel lan port driver.
 
The 9 second delay I got after that is caused by: WindowsUpdateClient
- <System>
  <Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-WindowsUpdateClient" Guid="{945A8954-C147-4ACD-923F-40C45405A658}" />
  <EventID>17</EventID>
  <Version>0</Version>
  <Level>4</Level>
  <Task>2</Task>
  <Opcode>12</Opcode>
  <Keywords>0x8000000000000014</Keywords>
  <TimeCreated SystemTime="2014-06-24T01:30:32.963923200Z" />
  <EventRecordID>535702</EventRecordID>
  <Correlation />
  <Execution ProcessID="980" ThreadID="4168" />
  <Channel>System</Channel>
  <Computer>Galactica</Computer>
  <Security UserID="S-1-5-18" />
  </System>
- <UserData>
  <updatelist xmlns="http://manifests.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/windows/eventlog">- Definition Update for Windows Defender - KB2267602 (Definition 1.177.628.0)</updatelist>
  </UserData>
  </Event>
 

If I look at further reboots after that the windows update doesn't appear, but the intel one does. So I know the windows update applied correctly, but my lan port driver is still borked. I should probably fix that.

 

Hope this helps.

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If its just slow on load up then could be corruptions in windows due to a dodgy update or maybe a virus.

 

Personally I'd just do a system restore see if that sorts it.

 

Alternatively you could do a sfc /scannow

 

could just be windows corruption. open an elevated command prompt (run as administrator) and type this.     chkdsk /r and when it prompts you to do on next boot select yes. then let it run on the next boot cycle.

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The EVO's are actually really good, I'd say the best buck for the performance

Samsung listed the differences here:

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/about/overview.html

I own one for half a year now and the performance is still above advertised:

ef31f07c160eaf9d13e08b6ab27be8b6.png

So 530MB/s comes down to 4240 mbit/s, also known as the "poof" effect :)

The EVO's are very good, not as good as the Pro, but most users would never be able to tell the difference

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The EVO's are very good, not as good as the Pro, but most users would never be able to tell the difference

I have this same drive as my boot/programs SSD and a separate Crucial M4 128GB only for Star Citizen

 

 

hoerzu! Considerations to help keep your computer up to speed (pun intended):

 

  • clean your registry (I use PC Tools Performance Toolkit - worth the money);
  • run anti-malware programs regularly, I use malwarebytes (buy the full version cuz it's worth the money), spybot S&D (free), spywareblaster (free);
  • use a decent anti-virus suite, I use Avast Internet Security (worth the money);
  • Don't defrag your SSD(s), but do defrag your HDD(s);
  • use another computer for your porn - like a crappy laptop running 32-bit Win 7.

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I'm a computer Technician, and have been for over 25 yesrs. I'm A+ certified as well as a Microsoft Certified Professional. I just thought I'd make a comment here about those who are explaining how to keep your windows system running fast. I've read a comment here about keeping your registry clean...and it was the number 1 on a list of several things to do...I disagree. The registry is a very complicated database, and I haven't seen a program yet that I trust to go into my Windows database and start removing entries it feels I no longer need. Time and Time again I try, and tie and time again I'm found performing a clean install of windows never  long after cleaning my registry. leave your registry alone!!! I've gone into it myself wen need be, to get rid of stobourn applications that happen to fail their uninstalls, and I had to remove the app completely myself manually. Now there's a good reason to use a registry cleaner, but other than that...leave registry cleaners alone. If you think I'm full of crap, then disagree with me and continue to use them, and mark my words, you will be having to perform a clean install cuz something is broken in windows and ya can't fix it no matter what you do.

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20 hours ago, ricktheslickster said:

I'm a computer Technician, and have been for over 25 yesrs. I'm A+ certified as well as a Microsoft Certified Professional. I just thought I'd make a comment here about those who are explaining how to keep your windows system running fast. ....

Good advice, but you may want to impart wisdom in a new thread rather than try to revive a four year old thread. 😊

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