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So some of us have heard of a another hard-to-get joystick option from a company known as VKB Industries. They made a hand-crafted joystick called the Black Mamba that is widely regarded higher than the HOTAS Warthog, and also have some highly-regarded rudder pedals. Months ago they said they announced a new line of upcoming products and an upcoming US-based distributor. Read more about that here: http://www.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?t=1947 The reason for this post is: Their online-ordering for the new products is finally live, and you can buy their new rudder pedals and joysticks: http://www.gostratojet.com/index.html Opinion: This is pretty exciting stuff, I already have a Warthog but I look forward to reading some reviews. I'm not above selling my Warthog HOTAS and getting something better. The price of their entry-level stick seems primed to put CH out of the gaming business... I have no idea why you'd buy an 8-bit Fighterstick over one of these, unless the build quality of these are far worse than their previous products.